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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to truth seekers

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i'm so happy tonight because uh tonight

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i'm going to get to interview

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uh someone that i've uh gotten to know a

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little bit

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and uh it's interesting these rabbit

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holes that we go down but

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some time ago i began to hear rumblings

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of this person

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who uh does some things that i think are

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a little strange like conduct interviews

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and keep them private

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but he makes transcripts and different

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things he's really

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out trying to find the truth behind some

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of these stories

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and uh you know so i began hearing about

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him

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long ago

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and i can't tell you how many messages i

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got of people saying

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you got to get that guy to do a whole

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show which uh

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i agree with 100 one of the things that

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i like about this show is that it gives

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me a passport to talk to some very

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knowledgeable people

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researchers authors lecturers about

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these strange and interesting subjects

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i could have talked to him offline but i

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decided it would probably be

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best if he and i just have this

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conversation

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and let others benefit from it as well

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so without any more fluff

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let's get into it friends and i'm going

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to bring our guests here

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victor cagliaro there you go

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you hear me i can hear you can you hear

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yes yes love the accent by the way uh

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all the way from australia and it is

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like a whole different day so we're like

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time traveling here

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because i'm here on tuesday you're here

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on wednesday he sent me something about

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the time difference and he's like yeah

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we'll do it

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you're this time for you on tuesday and

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this time for me on wednesday

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it's kind of it's 11 11 in the morning

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wednesday yeah and we're 9pm eastern

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standard time here which is

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just bizarre going on i don't even know

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where to begin

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we have so much to get to but i do have

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a big list of questions

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i want to know about these things i've

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been hearing about these interviews that

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you do but then you don't really make

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okay mike rogers

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i can send a link to that if anyone's

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interested it's pretty boring

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but why is it what is the thinking

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behind doing some interviews and keeping

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them private

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and not releasing them is it just

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personal

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no they'll come out i'm gonna release

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them like um i don't have

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all that many interviews i've done one

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with um mike rogers

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the area 51 security guard

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that was there during bob's time um

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he i've done one of glenn campbell

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fairchild because the guy

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because she also i don't know if many

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and there's a 13 13-year age gap and

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this guy was worked there he knew bob he

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and i don't want to put out the the

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i just didn't agree with with some of

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i know i've been here yeah i've been

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and unfortunately we're live so i don't

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you know like i or you know there's been

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a few interviews that i went wow i went

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off the rails but it's out there and

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yeah so you and i have a particular

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interest in

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several cases one of them being the bob

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lazar case and you've got a great deal

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of information that i'm going to try to

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pry from you that nobody's ever heard

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right you just dropped one nugget that

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bob and his wife were both technicians

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at fairchild can you talk a little bit

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as you guys know bob went to pierce

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and um just to give you a low down on

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what this guy told me would

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before i edit it and put it out i'm

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pretty look to be honest i'm lazy i

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should have edited it a long time ago

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i've been there too brother yeah

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sometimes you get busy and

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and this thing is not my own priorities

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and uh look glenn campbell when i did

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the interview with glenn campbell he

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told me i want i want a copy of this

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but again the same situation there's

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bits in there that i have to edit out

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and i haven't done it yet i've just been

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waiting for this

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email from glenn saying hey what the

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you promised it's the nativity so i've

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still got to get on to that as well

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but yeah in terms of um bob

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bob was went to pierce college did

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electronics as

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stanton freeman he's the one who's

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said that um

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he there he was working at fairchild

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xincom um

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now if you look at bob's marriage

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certificate in 1980 when he married

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carol his first wife they're both listed

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as electronics technicians in

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electronics engineer i think

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yes interesting and in the highest grade

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complete it says 12

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right yeah that's right and that's 1980.

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uh and then he was still working uh

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instead i believe he was working at

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fairchild back then

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and he kept working at fairchild until

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like just a year before he started in

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los angeles

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national laboratory just call it lanol i

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can't say the whole

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name yeah yeah me too i say lamb

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yeah and it's interesting you have

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sources that kind of confirm that bob

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was an electronics technician at lanl

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and i have sources that work there

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now still to this day who told me yeah

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he was

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he worked on radiation health monitors

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he worked in um well when

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stanton friedman died he um

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he had a treasure trove of stuff that

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started to cut

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that it only trickled out because

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apparently i rang up the uh well i

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emailed the canadian archive that's

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archiving all these stuff and they told

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me that it's going to take 10 years to

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archive this stuff because

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he had just like 10 van loads of boxes

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and in each box was just a random grab

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of paperwork he just threw into a box it

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could be like a paperwork from

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1950 case mixed in there with something

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2001. yeah and interestingly that

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archive was actually at a college

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about an hour from me and grant cameron

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went to it

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and then the college they decided after

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receiving this volume

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of this of this stuff that they were

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neither qualified nor

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financially able to house that archive

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that was his wish that it went there so

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it ends up in another place in canada

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now which is going to make it a lot

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harder for us researchers i guess to get

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let alone australian ones but yeah grant

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cameron told me that there was so much

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stuff

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all he could do was look through it

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quickly scan the pages

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try to find good stuff and then he would

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scan the the stuff that he failed he was

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there for two days

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and only came out with and he came out

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with a bunch of interesting stuff but he

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was kind of upset that he didn't have

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go through there's just so much material

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the older guy so he was a paper

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everything was on a piece of paper

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everything yeah it's actually grant

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cameron that i saw the stuff from

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like uh he posted a full-page copy of

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stanton friedman had of the the lateral

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phone directory page which bob was on if

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you you might note that uh every time

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george knapp shows it or you'll see a

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snippet of it it's always a zoomed in

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uh image of and usually blurry of just

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bob's name and the phone number or if

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you're lucky you might see the km next

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that's it if you get the full page

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it actually has a lot more detail it has

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the building he worked in the room

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number he worked in

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so on it's got more yeah and this is

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obviously a senior staff level physicist

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and a low level electronics technician

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would not work in the same room you know

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yeah and and jo um bob worked in

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and so did joe vin and eddie because

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he's i also got a copy of a 1980

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ah i'll find it later oh it's quite all

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right yeah yeah

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there's a there's a note i i did manage

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to get a 1980 like an earlier copy of

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the lentil directory

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bob wasn't in the 1981 but um

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the 1981 did have gervin and eddie and

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he was in the same room as bob

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uh same building as bob and as we know

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john joe bernanetti was a technician

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um so i looked up the building number

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um there's a particular sequence that

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they denote

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bob worked in technical area 53 which is

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the mison physics

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area by whatever it's called uh

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and in building two and i looked up

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building two and it's

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a bit difficult but eventually found a

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document that highlighted what was in

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uh probably not the only thing but

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in building two there was the equipment

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test laboratory where the contractors

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yeah you know what it gets me is that

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there are people that just want to

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believe bob so much that they just go no

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he was a scientist there

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and you know i guess maybe i just gotten

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too deep into this case

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and so have you because bob says don't

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worry about the minutia

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worry about the the the meat of what i'm

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saying that

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you know i worked on these alien flying

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saucers people get lost in this minutia

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but when you do get lost in the minutia

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you keep finding ample and supportive

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evidence that he was never a real

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scientist he was a low level

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technician you know he was like one step

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above a guy that works at radio shack

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i know because i worked at radio shack

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you know you got a lot of guys that are

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just techies

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that like science and technology that

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work at radio shack he was that kind of

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a guy

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not a senior staff level physicist

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that's a whole

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another level you know yeah yeah the guy

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spoke to it

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who worked at fairchild said bob was

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still doing night courses at pierce

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college when he was at fairchild

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and that was in 1981. at the same time

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he was supposed to be going to mit

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you know yeah yeah he's still got

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friends because there was actually three

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contacts i had for fair child

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uh one spoke to me one i emailed

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and he just said yeah i knew he was

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there but i don't know much about him

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didn't really talk to him

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and the other one was bob's must have

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been a very good friend of bob because

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this guy said

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i'm not going to talk to you because i'm

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still friends with bob

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that's interesting yeah he didn't want

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to give you any dirt i suppose then

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as is you know i could i can imagine if

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you're still friendly with a guy you

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don't want to trash talk them

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or uh you know say that a story is

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faked or partially faked yeah so you've

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come

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across you're coming across all this

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evidence that he was just a technician

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and it just boggles my mind that people

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don't care about this evidence

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and i always say this victor the

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hallmark of a good researcher is that

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you could give me those contacts and i

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could call and get the same results do

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you know what i mean

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like you have good real on the record

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these are sources

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that are knowledgeable about these

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things but people still put their

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blinders on and they don't want to hear

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this it's like you're uh

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it's like you're ruining a fairy tale

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it's like you're telling them that santa

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claus isn't real

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you know what i mean when you're a kid

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and some of the kids don't want to they

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don't want to hear it

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they're like no no it's believed without

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question it's yeah but uh

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look i should say that a lot a lot of

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the you know the groundwork

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information that i started with came

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from you know past researchers you know

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dan burnkert alien scientist

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jeremy um tom mayhood glenn campbell

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uh in fact tom maywood is the one who

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told me about the uh

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fairchild guy he was the one who pointed

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um so there again there's another person

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there's another person that found this

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information and then he said hey here's

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my contact and you got the same

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answers you know like i said this is

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good research because other people can

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go after you

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and verify that what you're saying is

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factually accurate

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um but uh tom lehrer is an interesting

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one you say

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holding back information tom maywood uh

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spoke to

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bob's second wife tracy on the phone

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which i never knew until i until i

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uh chatted with him he um

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he told me that back in the day he spoke

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to tracy who was bob's second wife who

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was with bob at the time

387
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you know the whole the story broke yeah

388
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awesome stuff was happening

389
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and he told her that it was all [\h__\h]

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uh that she was afraid to come out and

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tell a story because of

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bob's friends and

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when she when he told me that i thought

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well

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she means gene half i'm just assuming

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but if anyone has

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looked into bob and seen the posts by

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jean huff you'll know what i mean

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yeah it's a bit of a going to work

400
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yeah and it's interesting that for those

401
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that don't know bob actually married his

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second wife while he was still married

403
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to his first wife and then his first

404
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wife committed suicide which is very

405
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tragic

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so we can't we can't talk to her

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and i know there's there's another show

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host there's another show host that i

409
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know who got to speak to

410
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uh speak to this tracy but so far

411
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yeah yeah but he hasn't really

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publicized the contents of their

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conversation but it went something like

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like the the conversation you just

415
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described she claimed that he made the

416
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entire thing up to make money with his

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friends

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yeah uh well he he all he told me was

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that he spoke to tracy

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over the phone uh this is back in the

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day this is tom maywood

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and she told him it wasn't true she was

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afraid to come out and tell her story

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because of bob's friends i don't know

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who that is i just assumed

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it might have been jeans um and that's

427
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when she took when he took her to see

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the lights you know when they did the

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test flight and he took them all out

430
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into the desert to see the flight

431
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uh she said told tom mayweather all she

432
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,159
saw was a lightness guy

433
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and it was completely unimpressed yeah

434
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and a lot of people have suggested as

435
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much as i don't like him

436
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,799
sean david morton kind of proved that if

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you're in us if you're near that area

438
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:14,559
where they supposedly viewed these test

439
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,280
sites

440
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,640
you're going to see lights in the sky

441
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because there's janet airlines flying

442
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,000
into area 51

443
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,080
every hour on the hour just about so

444
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,919
people make this big deal about

445
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,679
how did he know about these test flights

446
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,360
if he didn't work there well

447
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it's just a light in the sky there's a

448
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:30,720
video of it

449
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:33,039
that's completely unimpressive and

450
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,000
people have suggested

451
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that they you know like they moved the

452
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:37,520
camera to make it look like the light

453
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,320
went over

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and it's completely unimpressive and i

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think

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near as i remember they were either 50

457
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or 60 miles

458
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,039
away from area 51. which you know

459
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,720
you're not going to see any detail of a

460
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:53,280
craft flying over area 51 from 50 miles

461
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,840
away

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and and i've always assumed that yeah

463
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that could be anything it could be a

464
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:58,799
helicopter off in the distance it could

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00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,760
be

466
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,320
airplane lights faa lights janet

467
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,120
airlines

468
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,280
trucking people in and out of area 51

469
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:10,870
yes glenn campbell wrote a area 51

470
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viewers guide back then and it's 115

471
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pages

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so it should give you a clue it was a

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lot going on it's a

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it's a test place for aerial uh for

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aircraft they used to fly

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big aircraft sometimes at night a lot of

477
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times at night

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um they would fly drop flares from

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little parachutes and balloons yeah

480
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all kinds of tests that could be

481
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misconstrued yeah they didn't have the

482
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janet flights coming in

483
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uh on like clockwork literally because

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they're on a schedule

485
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some of them came in at night and the

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head the

487
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landing light would shine directly at

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where bob took people

489
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just before it so you'd see the

490
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headlights shine right at you

491
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:56,480
until it turned to land at area 51

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00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,880
we'll come down below the rain um

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so yeah i mean you know people say how

494
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did he know there was going to be lights

495
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:04,880
there well

496
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it was less than every night yeah

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especially if it's just lights in the

498
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sky now if they had a real

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you know if they had a real great

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quality video of something that looked

501
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like a flying saucer

502
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great but if it's just a light in the

503
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sky you know

504
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it could be it literally could be

505
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,760
anything it could be test flights it

506
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could be early drones it could be the

507
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jana flights could be anything

508
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so i just don't i i don't put a lot of

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uh

510
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you know people people use that all the

511
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time like well he had to work there

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because

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he showed the people the test flights

514
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and then you get to the meat of what

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they actually saw

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and you could see a video of it it's

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literally a light in the sky

518
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nothing impressive nothing to suggest

519
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it's anything

520
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uh you know alien or exotic for sure

521
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yeah no nothing was going on but

522
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oh yeah well you know nothing alien

523
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yeah um yeah so i mean

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you know this i don't even know where to

525
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start with bob i mean you know you got a

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letter from

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sent to

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leno's say asking oh you know where's my

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where's my employment records and lana

530
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,000
sent a letter back saying well you know

531
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you sent us a copy of the uh

532
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,120
ladle phone directory and it clearly

533
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,039
says kirk meyer next to it

534
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,480
why don't you ask kirk maya yeah

535
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,760
yeah and that's another point that

536
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:28,240
people miss and your security yeah

537
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:29,280
that's another point

538
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,039
that's very wild absolutely and that's a

539
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,559
point that people miss is that he didn't

540
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,480
actually work for the lab proper he

541
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worked as a subcontractor through kirk

542
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meyer who by the way

543
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never hired scientists especially not

544
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senior staff level scientists all they

545
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,880
hired was low-level technicians

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and i t help desk kind of people people

547
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,080
that

548
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,080
you know maintained electronic systems

549
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and computer systems

550
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for the higher ups these scientists they

551
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,360
don't have time to mess around with a

552
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,039
computer network or with

553
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,559
health monitors or badge you know

554
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,960
you know lock systems you know where you

555
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,400
swipe your card through they have

556
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,480
technicians to do that for them and that

557
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,640
is what bob lazar was and that's why he

558
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may have had some familiarity with the

559
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base there's another

560
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,760
there's another interview where he gave

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where somebody showed him like a

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satellite dish at lanl and he goes oh

563
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,279
yeah i remember putting that in

564
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,159
go ask any lab whether a senior staff

565
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,080
level physicist would be putting

566
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,240
installing a satellite dish there's no

567
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,840
way on earth they don't do that kind of

568
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,559
thing they have to

569
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:35,200
yeah he tells jeremy corbell that in the

570
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:35,919
video that

571
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,640
uh he went out in 1982 to install the

572
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,120
satellite dishes

573
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,559
but see that's the point you know people

574
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,559
are so entrenched in the story that like

575
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,480
that doesn't even click with them you

576
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,720
know that's like

577
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,520
you know what i mean yeah yeah this is

578
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,440
the minutia that bob lazar doesn't want

579
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,200
you to worry about

580
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,360
you know and he never you know one of

581
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,960
the things that bothers me about him is

582
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,960
that he never will give an interview

583
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,600
to somebody like you or me that has some

584
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,720
of this information

585
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:07,279
and will point blank ask him to explain

586
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,400
it away because he

587
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,720
can't and i've heard various reports

588
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,240
that he refuses to give interviews

589
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:13,679
unless he's given the questions in

590
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,080
advance

591
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,880
and you don't deviate from the script

592
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,480
and really the only people that he gives

593
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,880
interviews to is george knapp and uh

594
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,200
and jeremy corbell and i guess rogan

595
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,640
wants you know that

596
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,840
negotiated what we're going to talk

597
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,000
about

598
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,600
like you know in other words he only

599
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,600
will agree to softball interviews he's

600
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,279
never had one hard interview

601
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:37,200
that i've ever seen in 35 years not one

602
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,360
yeah he's probably gone back into hiding

603
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,880
well i you know i think i heard from uh

604
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,400
from several different people that he

605
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,400
bought like a million dollar property

606
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,880
after he got the book deal with tom

607
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,679
delong

608
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,200
which by the way nobody's supposed to

609
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,960
know was supposed to know that tom

610
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,039
delong gave him the book deal

611
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:59,600
tom delong's sister registered the dot

612
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,080
com

613
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,679
and that's how they got caught as the

614
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,919
publisher like she registered the dot

615
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,600
com for the publishing company that was

616
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,760
publishing bob lazar's book

617
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,080
and also even people very close to him

618
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,679
like john lear said

619
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,440
this wasn't written by bob lazar this

620
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,960
was ghost written because all the

621
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,640
details were wrong

622
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,480
so that's interesting i can't imagine

623
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,240
bob writing a book so i'm

624
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,400
pretty sure he did have a ghost writer i

625
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,840
don't think his property that he brought

626
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,720
in or you know

627
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:27,279
i almost gave away where he lived but

628
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:28,240
yeah but

629
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:31,760
you you live in a new place but uh

630
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,960
i've seen the the real estate uh

631
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,960
uh listing the old real estate listing

632
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,400
it wasn't a million dollars

633
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,320
it's a bit more a lot more modest than

634
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,679
that oh yeah

635
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,840
oh okay maybe i heard wrong it's

636
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,600
definitely it's definitely a half

637
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,919
million i would say because i've seen

638
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:50,000
like satellite images somebody sent me

639
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,120
it's got like

640
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:54,159
a big house and barn and out buildings

641
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:54,799
and

642
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,440
other stuff so probably half a million

643
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,159
maybe

644
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,400
it's it's a country home it's you know

645
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:02,799
they've got horses i think as well and

646
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,320
i've got state but um yeah

647
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:08,880
it's it's somewhere around the half

648
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,840
maybe a little less i can't remember

649
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,760
oh book the book deal must have paid

650
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,039
pretty good then because

651
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,679
uh there's been other sources that told

652
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,799
me that he was

653
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,640
at one point about to lose his other

654
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,880
house i don't know if that's true or

655
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:25,760
rumors and speculation um but then all

656
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,080
this

657
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:29,440
came out and now all of a sudden he's

658
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,399
flush with cash

659
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,159
moving moving to a new home you know so

660
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,919
who knows when it gets paid

661
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,440
it's not like you can call the publisher

662
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,880
and ask them they won't tell you what

663
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,559
they paid them for the book

664
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:43,200
um you know what's funny about the whole

665
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,919
bob

666
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:46,080
story is how they were able him and gene

667
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,120
to sort of try and

668
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:50,080
wipe out john lear out of the story

669
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,559
because

670
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,640
as you know they met john here before

671
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,760
yes yes

672
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,159
and a lot of people a lot of people i've

673
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,880
heard from john lear's own mouth that he

674
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,600
gave

675
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,399
gene hoffman bob lazar all the billy

676
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,559
meyer material right before bob came out

677
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,520
with his story

678
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,919
and the sport model and billy myers beam

679
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:10,399
ship look exactly alike so

680
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,520
you know yeah that's another red flag

681
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:15,039
for me

682
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,320
well he gave him a lot more than that

683
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,000
i'm sure but also you've got to remember

684
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:20,960
john lee was the area 51 researcher

685
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:24,080
so at the time he was the area 51

686
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,720
researcher

687
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,200
yeah yeah how did bob know that you know

688
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,960
the timetable of the jenna jets or

689
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,159
whatever well

690
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,080
he was friends with the number one area

691
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,480
51 researcher and john lear and told me

692
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,159
he gave him all that information

693
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,960
as we know yeah johnny is known for

694
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,559
being generous and sharing

695
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,039
with other people he'll he'll give you

696
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,799
copies of pictures he'll give you copies

697
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,919
of tapes

698
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:48,640
you know or he did at one time not so

699
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,120
sure

700
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:52,960
lately yeah yeah and john lear is

701
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:57,600
also um he

702
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,360
what was i going to say he had the uh

703
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,840
yeah he had all the intel on area 51 so

704
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:04,000
he would have given bob all that

705
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,399
so and then bob mysteriously

706
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,919
after meeting lea and getting all this

707
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:12,399
information mysteriously gets

708
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,789
starts telling the same story john lee

709
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,480
tells i know people know this but in

710
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,520
1987 john leah was on

711
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,640
george knapp show and um

712
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,440
john lear said that the government had

713
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:30,640
acquired

714
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:34,000
around 10 ufos one of them they tried to

715
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:34,559
fly

716
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,559
sound familiar yeah and then suddenly

717
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,320
this is two years before bob story and

718
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,559
here's john leah on george knapp's show

719
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:45,039
saying that story and people don't

720
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:46,720
realize that

721
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,320
uh bob stole that bit of the story

722
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:52,399
he stepped right into the story right

723
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:53,520
like yeah they

724
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,799
have ten flying saucers i worked on one

725
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,880
yeah and then there was a whole bit

726
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,640
about uh you know the uh

727
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,360
you know dan bin could mention this to

728
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,600
me and it's true that you know

729
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,760
bob tells the story about the alien

730
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,600
reactor and how the scientists

731
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,240
before him try to open it with a plasma

732
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,760
cutter i think it was while it was

733
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,640
running

734
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,159
yeah and that's a smart thing for

735
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,760
scientists to do

736
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,520
yeah and then there was a nuclear

737
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,000
explosion basically that took out

738
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,919
the half the base and killed one

739
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:25,440
scientist i think it was that

740
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,440
that was the one he had to replace um

741
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,600
and then he do a model of the alien

742
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,240
reactor and it looked exactly like

743
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,679
the demon core yeah of course is a

744
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:39,760
famous story where people did

745
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:42,559
you know yeah he just ripped that whole

746
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:43,520
story

747
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,960
the demon core reactor and the whole bit

748
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,760
about the

749
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:50,000
scientists opening it and dying and it

750
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,200
just you know

751
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,679
you took the action it didn't even

752
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,000
change the design of the reactor

753
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,440
let alone the story ah

754
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,880
it's so frustrating this whole bit's

755
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:04,240
like uh

756
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,909
supposedly where bob took him through

757
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:12,080
leno and uh you don't see anyone in this

758
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,799
clip except

759
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,960
scenes of leno and there's this one

760
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,720
scene of this big machine it looks like

761
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:17,519
a big

762
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:21,120
arch and george knapp's voices over and

763
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:22,240
says this is the

764
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,399
particle accelerator that

765
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,480
bob worked on but it's not a particle

766
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,000
accelerator it's this

767
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,960
proton spectrometer that's not even true

768
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,440
so

769
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,440
i mean george is not a scientist but

770
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,120
joyce is not a scientist but if bob was

771
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,640
walking him through at that point

772
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,320
yeah and if he said that's the particle

773
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,159
accelerator i worked on yeah it stands

774
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,519
to reason that george knapp would do a

775
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,559
voiceover and say

776
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:47,120
this is the particle yeah one of my

777
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,399
other favorite things with the particle

778
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,840
accelerators george knapp

779
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,720
jeremy corbell and bob lazar at various

780
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,640
times have stated that bob lazor had a

781
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,880
particle accelerator in his bedroom

782
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,760
which is scientifically impossible ask

783
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,000
any

784
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,399
real physicist you need a lot of space

785
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,080
for a particle accelerator

786
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,679
you could have you know some kind of

787
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,320
technology demonstrator or like

788
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,640
you know like a child or high school

789
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,519
students

790
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,600
you know display of a particle

791
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:15,600
accelerator that did something

792
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,789
yeah i'm not really sure whether you

793
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,720
could have a small one or you know it

794
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,720
wouldn't do much basically though

795
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,640
no he claimed to be making some kind of

796
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,880
uh some kind of a

797
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,279
rare element that he was using in his

798
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:32,960
battery bank for his

799
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,399
uh hydrogen fuel cells but in order to

800
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:38,080
have a particle accelerator that can

801
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,360
actually make

802
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,840
you know change matter you need a big

803
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,559
one

804
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,159
it's not something you know that you

805
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:45,840
could do in your bedroom

806
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,440
you know you need a huge you know

807
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,480
compound one you know this is

808
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,760
more of my new show right well look look

809
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,600
you don't even need to investigate bob

810
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,039
you just need to look at his story

811
00:33:06,789 --> 00:33:02,320
and ask yourself does it make sense look

812
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:06,799
look at this i'll reel off a few points

813
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,559
when when the government and the

814
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:13,279
actually the funny thing is the the

815
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,159
group behind

816
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,200
developing the bomb uh was heavily uh

817
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,200
was landlord believe it or not

818
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,200
they were they were travelling into that

819
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,360
project the manhattan project

820
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,240
and the government built a whole city

821
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:27,679
employed 130

822
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,840
000 people and spent a mountain of money

823
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,799
to develop the bomb that was based on

824
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,880
scientific theory at that point that

825
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,960
they didn't even really know if it was

826
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,960
going to work or not

827
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,480
so they spent all that money employed

828
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,480
130 000 people

829
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,000
to do it now bob says he worked on

830
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,320
reverse engineering the propulsion of

831
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,600
the saucer

832
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,440
and that there was 22 people in all

833
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,080
looking at every aspect of the saucer

834
00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:59,519
and it was only him and barry

835
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,960
that i mean i'm laughing now

836
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:04,559
nobody's allowed to talk to barry

837
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,230
so you got two people were trying to

838
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,320
work out the most

839
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,440
that would have been the biggest

840
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:17,359
invention of history and they had two

841
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,159
people on it

842
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:21,520
i mean you know [\h__\h]

843
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,159
you know and uh

844
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,679
you know i mean i could just imagine the

845
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,359
uh i can just imagine the uh

846
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,599
the you know when the scientist died it

847
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:32,839
was like oh

848
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,159
sir one of our scientists died

849
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,919
can we find someone to replace them

850
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,159
though yes uh let's

851
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:42,960
what about that bob guy that bob guy oh

852
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:43,440
he

853
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,879
myself let's get bob

854
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,280
yes bobster yeah that's another thing i

855
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,599
always think is funny like how many

856
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,280
how many serious scientists do you know

857
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,480
that woke up one day and say you know

858
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,440
what i'm gonna do

859
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,160
i'm gonna start a whorehouse you know

860
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,400
i'm just gonna run a whorehouse

861
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,599
for extra money you see the arguments

862
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,200
around that as soon as you bring that up

863
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,000
or the fact that bob was

864
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,680
bankrupt and had just been that

865
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,359
bankruptcy just had been finalized a

866
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,320
year before he's this war story

867
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,320
you say you've got a bankrupt pimp he

868
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,589
steals gets his files and then suddenly

869
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,599
gets a job at s4

870
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,760
where he him and only one other person

871
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:31,280
named bazza

872
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,480
nickname for barry so the bobster and

873
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,359
bezzer

874
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,359
a reverse engineering of flying saucers

875
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,040
i mean you know

876
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,960
yeah it's kind of ridiculous it's really

877
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,240
ridiculous

878
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
but you know what what is great is that

879
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,400
the people that promote the story

880
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,640
they don't do well promoting this story

881
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,240
because they lie

882
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,000
they do well promoting a story because

883
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,920
they leave off all the stuff that you

884
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,680
and i are talking about like they leave

885
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,680
all of the stuff that would indicate he

886
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,079
was a fraud a bankrupt pimp and a liar

887
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,599
out of the story

888
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,440
and they just tell you this stuff that

889
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,359
would lead people to believe that he was

890
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,640
telling the truth

891
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,200
you know the the uh he passed he aced

892
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,960
four lie detector tests no he

893
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,960
we did a whole piece on that it was a

894
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,400
joke you know we took like

895
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,079
they just kept giving them more tests

896
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,920
and so they got some results they liked

897
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,359
you know we failed the first one they

898
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,000
get another

899
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,720
polygraph examiner he failed one test he

900
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,240
passed the other one

901
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,400
he failed the test one test was

902
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,160
inconclusive you don't just keep giving

903
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,839
somebody lie detector test you get

904
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,000
one that's what you get you fail the

905
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,720
first one you're deceptive and a liar

906
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,280
and that's it but you know that that was

907
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:40,000
done at the time

908
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:44,079
that stan freeman started blowing holes

909
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,440
in bob's education and

910
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,599
story so they needed something to

911
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,440
bolster the story and keep it going i

912
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,960
guess

913
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,359
well look look just you know in terms of

914
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,040
a logic test

915
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,920
bob says he's got some element 115. i

916
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,440
mean every you know everyone obviously

917
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,960
is going to say well why didn't he sense

918
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,000
i mean yeah

919
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:05,119
obviously um then you've got george

920
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,520
knapp

921
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,280
and jeremy corbell saying they know

922
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,920
where he uh bob berry some

923
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,000
and then both george knapp and jeremy

924
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,720
corbella yelling from the tree saying oh

925
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,960
disclosure we want disclosure oh we know

926
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,040
where some element 155 is but we're not

927
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:20,839
going to show you we'll give it to you

928
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,599
disclosure yeah we're

929
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,920
fighting for disclosure and we have

930
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,160
absolute incontrovertible proof

931
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:31,119
of alien visitation and we're not going

932
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,920
to show it to you

933
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,599
you know i've always said that like

934
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,440
george knapp is famously in

935
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,599
a lecture he gave he said i know where

936
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,520
some of that element 115 is buried and

937
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,119
maybe someday i'll dig it up

938
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,119
you're like come on bro for 35 years

939
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,560
you've been pushing the story and you've

940
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,960
got the incontrovertible proof of it and

941
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,000
you're not going to show us

942
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,720
it that's [\h__\h] have you ever seen

943
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,200
the movie it's a mad mad world and uh

944
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:55,920
baby dying guy often where there's some

945
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,670
and the big w turns out to be this palm

946
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,960
tree shaped like a big w every time

947
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,480
every time i hear george knapp and

948
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,079
jeremy corbell say they know where it's

949
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,760
buried i keep imagining that scene out

950
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:11,200
of that movie where they end up with the

951
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,920
big w

952
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,680
and it's all under these palm trees

953
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:15,920
they're all digging it up

954
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,599
yeah yeah there's been some and the

955
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,560
the whole story of uh at the end of the

956
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,880
so-called documentary which is really a

957
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,520
pro bob lazar fluff piece uh you know

958
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,720
they claim that this

959
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,640
this company raid of his had something

960
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,560
to do with the element 115

961
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,400
and i mean i talked to the local police

962
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,240
chief and he was so surprised

963
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,079
and then he looked up bob lazar and went

964
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,400
i had no i you know i knew that he

965
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,000
had something to do with ufos but i

966
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:44,079
didn't know he was so well known or you

967
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,960
know whatever

968
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,119
but the police chief was there at the

969
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,200
raids and he said this had nothing to do

970
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,960
with flying saucers man this was

971
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:54,079
a multi-state investigation involving a

972
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,800
murder

973
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:57,440
we went in we got the records we wanted

974
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:57,839
and

975
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:02,240
make it sound like they were there all

976
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:02,640
day

977
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,320
every inch of bob's office

978
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:09,040
and his where no that didn't happen

979
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:10,000
either

980
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,400
they probably was a few of his pornos

981
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,400
uh but yeah i mean look the other thing

982
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,320
is you know they talked i talk about

983
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,400
you know bob having this video of uh

984
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:22,880
element 115 where he shines a laver

985
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,400
laser over this uh uh what's it called

986
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,839
i have that smoke a vapor

987
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:32,400
whatever and they anyway they say that

988
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,200
you know they

989
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,359
shown this low laser over the element

990
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:37,839
115 and it bends the laser because you

991
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,079
know

992
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:41,680
the gravitational effect of element 115

993
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:44,400
and that they tried to find the video

994
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,200
and they

995
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,599
bob had taped over with an episode of

996
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,000
the golden girls

997
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,040
i mean i just don't know

998
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,190
he has absolute proof of this element

999
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,520
115 this alien saucer fly

1000
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,920
you know flying saucer fuel in a cloud

1001
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:05,760
chamber that proves it must be

1002
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:09,200
alien and he tapes over it with

1003
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,800
golden girls and then and then you think

1004
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,280
oh

1005
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,839
no no but then you gotta if you're

1006
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,440
actually thinking about it

1007
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,560
hang on he's had he has he's had some

1008
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,680
element one one five for all this time

1009
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,960
why doesn't he just repeat the

1010
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,319
experiment it's only a five minute

1011
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,839
experiment

1012
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,960
i mean duh yeah and

1013
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,480
one of the other interesting science

1014
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,480
points too is that bob has said

1015
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,400
that they did every imaginable

1016
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,359
scientific test to this element 115

1017
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,160
if that were the case he would know that

1018
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,760
ratios of this thing

1019
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,920
and and he would be able to reproduce it

1020
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,040
in a laboratory

1021
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,960
he would be able to do that he would be

1022
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,640
able to make the stable form that he

1023
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:52,640
talked about if he actually worked on

1024
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,599
this thing

1025
00:40:59,069 --> 00:40:56,240
otherwise it's just him guessing element

1026
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,079
115 was predicted as far back i think as

1027
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,680
1969 in chemistry books

1028
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,520
so it's you know that's another prover

1029
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,800
that everybody the

1030
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,200
bob maneuver well he talked about

1031
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,800
element 115 before

1032
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,880
we knew it really even existed it was

1033
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,160
predicted to exist

1034
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,800
all the heavier elements were and i

1035
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:15,839
think we're up to six

1036
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,359
116 or 117 now so every

1037
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:21,440
every few years we get another one of

1038
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,480
them become synthesized in a laboratory

1039
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,640
yeah i think we're higher than that but

1040
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,400
yeah the other the other

1041
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,720
nonsense story is bob uh sorry george

1042
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,960
knapp tells the story that um

1043
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,960
he went to bob's house and he was on

1044
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,880
edge thought the government was after

1045
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,839
him and he had a bit of

1046
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:40,319
element 115 in front of his homemade

1047
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,200
particle

1048
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:43,839
uh yeah he was going to blow up the last

1049
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,560
thing

1050
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,160
the government came for he was going to

1051
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,800
flip the switch and george knapp says

1052
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,560
it would have resulted in explosion that

1053
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,079
would have taken out the whole of las

1054
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,599
vegas

1055
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,319
now look at let's look at that george

1056
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,520
knapp's a reporter

1057
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,400
he doesn't report it at the time and

1058
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:02,480
it's a case of domestic terrorism

1059
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,280
potentially

1060
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,119
this guy could blow up the whole vegas

1061
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:06,720
killing a hundred thousand or how many

1062
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:07,359
people

1063
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,720
yet at the same time he says i totally

1064
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:14,240
believe bob i mean

1065
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,200
come on it's a comedy show at this point

1066
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,800
you've read i never thought about that

1067
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,480
so george knapp

1068
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:24,400
although george knapp ratted him out

1069
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,520
about the whorehouse

1070
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,599
george knapp didn't rat him out about

1071
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,440
thinking about blowing up all of las

1072
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:30,720
vegas

1073
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,040
right the pandering documents are quite

1074
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,910
you know the betting anatomy was in

1075
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,560
business with uh told the police that

1076
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,960
bob it's stiff to 12 and a half thousand

1077
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,000
dollars

1078
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,599
excuse the pun but um

1079
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,520
yeah she's she claimed that bob i get

1080
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:53,040
her twelve and a half thousand dollars

1081
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,480
and never paid her

1082
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,839
and all sorts of things and the

1083
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,440
pandering doctor the pandering documents

1084
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,280
are quite detailed

1085
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,440
uh they found his birth certificate so

1086
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:03,760
all that story is nonsense

1087
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,280
um yeah apparently he was

1088
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,760
he was a bankrupt pimp and and you can

1089
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,480
see from the

1090
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,800
bankruptcy documents if you read them

1091
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:14,319
that he really didn't like paying his

1092
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,040
bills

1093
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,960
or paying people that he owed money to

1094
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,240
he stiffed the

1095
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
madam of the whorehouse apparently right

1096
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,119
he stiffed his parents

1097
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:26,160
and he stiffed most of his creditors

1098
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:29,839
yeah and uh he the interesting bit about

1099
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:33,599
the uh the pandering documents is that

1100
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:37,280
he had to list all his schooling and

1101
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:41,359
it didn't list pierce college at all and

1102
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,599
even though we know he went there and

1103
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:48,240
it lists for his this is a really funny

1104
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:48,800
bit

1105
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:52,240
okay he says he finished

1106
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,400
high school in august 76

1107
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,560
and it lost and it says he got two

1108
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:00,079
degrees in electronics

1109
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,480
and physics

1110
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,440
at in 1978 he graduated and got those

1111
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,440
two degrees

1112
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,000
how if he graduate if he had graduated

1113
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:13,119
high school in

1114
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,720
midway through 76 then how in 78 does he

1115
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:18,960
end up with two degrees

1116
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,000
but the two master's degrees two masters

1117
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:23,760
oh no no not the masters the masters

1118
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,079
come

1119
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,319
later from here oh okay yeah because

1120
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,440
there's always this question of where

1121
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:28,880
did he get his degrees because

1122
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:30,160
you have to have a degree before you get

1123
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,440
your master's you have to have an

1124
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,760
undergraduate degree it's called yeah so

1125
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,599
no one's ever been able to work out

1126
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,520
where he got his degrees from but so in

1127
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,960
the pandering documents it was quite

1128
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,040
interesting because it said

1129
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,240
he graduated as friedman stanton

1130
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,520
friedman worked out he

1131
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,800
graduated in august 1976 from high

1132
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,680
school

1133
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,520
and in in the pandering documents it

1134
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,359
says he got his you got a degree in

1135
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,359
physics and electronics

1136
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,000
from a correspondence university called

1137
00:45:00,950 --> 00:45:00,319
pacifica university pacifica university

1138
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,960
yes

1139
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,640
you know what i did when i when i got

1140
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,319
ahold of that information

1141
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,880
i called admissions people both at mit

1142
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,240
and at

1143
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,000
caltech and asked them if you could get

1144
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,760
into a master's program with that and

1145
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,520
they both laughed they're like no

1146
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,119
you need a real degree we don't let

1147
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,880
people into master's programs with a

1148
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,440
degree mill degree that somebody bought

1149
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,760
yeah no yeah that's right he bought the

1150
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:22,880
degrees from the

1151
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,000
pacifica uni was a front that got um

1152
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,880
shut down live on tv in 60 minutes when

1153
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:29,680
mike wallace

1154
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,069
they still exist now selling degrees

1155
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,760
that you can hang on your wall and fool

1156
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,359
your stupid friends with

1157
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,680
but it's it's a worthless degree you

1158
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:46,640
know you can't like people check out

1159
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,200
where it is

1160
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,960
for employment now you know they know

1161
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,480
the difference between

1162
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:53,280
a degree mill degree and a real college

1163
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,839
it's

1164
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,680
you know important but i guess the

1165
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:57,440
interesting part for our conversation is

1166
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,920
that both

1167
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,000
mit and caltech said no way could he

1168
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,760
have gotten into any kind of masters

1169
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,800
program

1170
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:05,119
with a degree from that place and

1171
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,240
interestingly too

1172
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,640
caltech did not offer an electronic

1173
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,800
technology master's degree at the time

1174
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,800
he claimed to have gotten one

1175
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,280
they didn't even have that there as a

1176
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,480
master's program

1177
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,520
so yeah

1178
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:22,160
when you look at bob's story it's i've

1179
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:23,520
looked at his story and i thought you

1180
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,079
know what

1181
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:26,000
he's made the story deliberately to be a

1182
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,200
joke

1183
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,440
so that if i'm you know i'm almost

1184
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,880
convinced that he made the story

1185
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,440
to be a joke so that one day he can say

1186
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,480
yeah it was a joke

1187
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:37,200
how did you believe it i mean i i said i

1188
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,000
said is

1189
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,680
he can easily do that now he could

1190
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,160
easily say look it was all a joke and uh

1191
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:48,160
he could make one last year why did you

1192
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,200
believe all that [\h__\h]

1193
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,720
you know like yeah he could make one

1194
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,200
last big cash out and make a documentary

1195
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,640
about how he faked the whole thing and

1196
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,040
made it all up and probably

1197
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:59,520
just as good as if if he still kept

1198
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,240
claiming that

1199
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,839
the story is real yeah so

1200
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,920
so this is the history and bob lazar

1201
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,160
i've always been fascinated by this case

1202
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,000
mostly because i'm fascinated that

1203
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,599
people can still believe him and

1204
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,359
some people are just true believers and

1205
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,960
i could go through this whole list of

1206
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,520
things that

1207
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,520
you and i just have talked about with a

1208
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,520
true believer of bob lazar and they just

1209
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,400
excuse everything you know government

1210
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:23,760
wiped his documents

1211
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,280
you know they try to cover it up

1212
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,960
bob's telling the truth he's a real

1213
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:30,640
scientist because he built a rocket

1214
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,200
engine

1215
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,240
car you know and

1216
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,839
and that means that he has to be a

1217
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,680
scientist i've even heard somebody say

1218
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:39,760
he had a pocket protector so that's why

1219
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,990
the thing is when he was at lanl the

1220
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,319
story had just broke in the newspaper

1221
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:51,760
about his jet car

1222
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,440
and the jet car reporter

1223
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,720
had written him down as being a

1224
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,440
physicist so everyone at leno

1225
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,480
knew bob as the jet car guy who worked

1226
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,800
here as a physicist

1227
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,160
so when krengel says oh i heard rumor

1228
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,559
from people that he was a

1229
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,559
you know young jet car or maybe he was a

1230
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,280
physicist that's where it comes from

1231
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,200
yeah and i have a source i have a source

1232
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,280
that works at lionel who told me that

1233
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,880
people who worked there when they saw

1234
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,720
the article some of them were surprised

1235
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:24,160
because they knew that he wasn't a

1236
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:25,040
physicist but

1237
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,319
yeah they'd be comfortable and they

1238
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,319
didn't want to go why did you lie

1239
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,800
they just assumed maybe the maybe the

1240
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,680
guy

1241
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,800
you know heard him wrong or something

1242
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,640
like that and interestingly

1243
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,119
somebody got to that author who wrote

1244
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,200
that article to ask him if he verified

1245
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:42,880
that bob was indeed a physicist

1246
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:46,079
and he said no he told me that and i

1247
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,839
just wrote it in the article i didn't

1248
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,240
think i had to check if he really was i

1249
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,319
saw a rocket car and thought physicist

1250
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,520
makes sense

1251
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,880
wrote it in the article that was me

1252
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,559
that was me that got in contact with me

1253
00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:00,400
oh okay there you go yeah i'm sorry i

1254
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,880
guess

1255
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:04,319
basically but what happened was jeremy

1256
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,359
corbell was

1257
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,319
was going on and saying that um he

1258
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,280
contacted the

1259
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,000
author and jeremy called him terry

1260
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,599
english

1261
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,240
his name was actually terry england but

1262
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:17,760
whatever

1263
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,200
easy to get wrong um and

1264
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,359
jeremy was saying that he spoke to this

1265
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,359
guy and

1266
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,640
terry had told him that he checked if

1267
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:29,440
bob had

1268
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,880
been a physicist at leno and he had to

1269
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,839
do that because

1270
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,599
if he didn't do that he would have been

1271
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:37,920
blackballed by the whole lentil

1272
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:41,520
los alamos community and journalistic

1273
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,790
i finally got in contact with terry it

1274
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,240
wasn't easy took me ages

1275
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,200
like six months but i finally managed to

1276
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:55,119
find someone who knew terry

1277
00:50:03,190 --> 00:49:59,520
to then get me terry's contact um

1278
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:03,200
but i when i emailed terry he

1279
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,280
he told me i i sent him a transcript of

1280
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:10,160
what jeremy called belle said

1281
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,880
and terry said that's complete [\h__\h]

1282
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,960
i never said any of this blackballing or

1283
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:18,720
any of this other stuff i didn't check

1284
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,359
with glen

1285
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,839
uh he said all i did was take bob's word

1286
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,960
for it it would have been just

1287
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,040
something in conversation and bob would

1288
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,640
have told me that and i would have

1289
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,680
that's what i wrote down and um

1290
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,160
it was a story about his jet car not his

1291
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:39,109
yeah interesting so i mean there we have

1292
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,319
it uh you know

1293
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,640
uh i i've been fascinated with some of

1294
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,000
the stuff that you have found

1295
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,920
some of the stuff that you have done you

1296
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,319
know i'm calling different places too

1297
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,559
and i think that's much needed to prove

1298
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,599
or disprove

1299
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,839
those things because this right click

1300
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:55,760
researching if it's on if it's not on

1301
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,559
the internet

1302
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,400
we don't find it it's not the right way

1303
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,160
to go about especially story this old

1304
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,760
it's 35 years old

1305
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,280
you really got to pick up the phone you

1306
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,119
really have to talk to people that

1307
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,200
have some knowledge about the case so

1308
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,880
besides this i know that you've been

1309
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,319
looking into some of these

1310
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:13,520
later ufo stories like the tic tac and

1311
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,800
the gimbal

1312
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,960
so what is your take on what we are

1313
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:18,319
seeing in these

1314
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,160
videos that are being leaked

1315
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,359
i should put leaked in quotes right

1316
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,599
yeah it's interesting because uh alex

1317
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,480
dietrich

1318
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,000
who's one of the tic tac pilots

1319
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,319
she gave an interview with nick west i

1320
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,920
only got halfway through it before i

1321
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,640
decided to get started but um

1322
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,400
so if anyone is interested i'm going to

1323
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,119
have a look at that but um

1324
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,119
i don't know let's start with the gimbal

1325
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,720
because i've got something queued up on

1326
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,390
uh with a gimbal video

1327
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,000
i don't know if people watch uh seeing

1328
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:55,599
the an article on the drive

1329
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,670
project nemesis is about the us's uh

1330
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,559
cutting edge or latest iteration of

1331
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:11,280
their electronic warfare capability

1332
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:14,800
where they use fleets of drones

1333
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,920
um all different types of drones yes

1334
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:19,119
balloons

1335
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,480
as well yeah they use targets yeah

1336
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,599
and there's also a pattern with a

1337
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,760
balloon with which is a sphere with a

1338
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,720
cube inside it

1339
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,200
and it's you know there's a navy patent

1340
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:34,559
for that

1341
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,119
anyway have a look on the drive um

1342
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,640
you can you can share your screen and

1343
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,480
then i can allow it if you want to

1344
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,640
you can share like a browser tab it's

1345
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,599
down there in the middle

1346
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,280
the share button and then i can share it

1347
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,800
to the audience if you like otherwise i

1348
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:50,480
could try to find what you're finding

1349
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:53,599
if you give me some keywords i'll place

1350
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:56,720
the link to the article in here

1351
00:53:00,950 --> 00:53:00,319
nemesis yeah i just posted a link in the

1352
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:00,960
comments

1353
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:04,000
but um the

1354
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:07,359
i hope i posted it yes i did um anyway

1355
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:07,680
it

1356
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:14,800
background but um

1357
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,240
anyway they have the us's

1358
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,559
and every military's leading edge

1359
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,640
capability military capability

1360
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,319
is electronic warfare it's not something

1361
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,079
that they talk about much

1362
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,200
because half of it is about

1363
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:31,359
tricking the opponent and if you're

1364
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,319
telling people

1365
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,200
what you're capable of doing then you

1366
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:37,359
can't really trick them

1367
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,720
so basically you can see that it's got

1368
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,079
fleets of drones

1369
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,359
and things like that um on the right

1370
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,720
hand that

1371
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,880
that peak oh i can't point to it but

1372
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,240
there's a picture there of

1373
00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:53,359
an f-18 with drones in front of it one

1374
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,160
of the drones is a northrop grumman

1375
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,319
x-47b

1376
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:58,079
and the other one said northrop grumman

1377
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,359
bat

1378
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:01,440
these are electronic warfare drones and

1379
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,559
they're weird things and there's one of

1380
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,240
them is a cylinder with propellers on

1381
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:05,599
both ends

1382
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,960
yeah interesting and

1383
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,720
what they do is they fly these things

1384
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,720
out and they

1385
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,800
do their electronic warfare stuff that

1386
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,720
basically they can

1387
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,119
spoof radar signals they can jam radar

1388
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,440
signals they can send out and imitate

1389
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,480
radar they could pretend to be a missile

1390
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,000
coming at you they can present

1391
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,760
pretend to be a certain aircraft coming

1392
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,440
at you they can pretend to be fleets of

1393
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,040
aircraft

1394
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,200
and the object of using small drones is

1395
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,359
it's meant to be so that you can't pick

1396
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,960
up the drones on the radar because

1397
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,079
they're too small

1398
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,599
but you can pick up what they're

1399
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,400
projecting does that make sense

1400
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,760
yes and um so it's what's

1401
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,200
what it's meant to do is full and

1402
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,839
bamboozle a navy fleet

1403
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,920
that's literally the charter of what

1404
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,160
it's meant to do

1405
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,240
it's meant to it's meant to say look

1406
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,160
over here there's a fleet coming at you

1407
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,880
expend all your ordinance over here send

1408
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,559
all your missiles send your fleet

1409
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,640
send your aircraft over here while we

1410
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:06,240
come around here and bomb the [\h__\h] out

1411
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,040
of you

1412
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,200
yeah so that's what it's about so and

1413
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,359
that's why they keep it secret because

1414
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,880
obviously you don't want to tell people

1415
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,400
what it's about but obviously the guys

1416
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:15,920
at the drive managed to get a bit of

1417
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,559
info and i wrote that article about it

1418
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:21,920
now the key thing here for the gimbal is

1419
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,119
the companies that were involved with uh

1420
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:28,720
this project nemesis was dapa

1421
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,599
and darpa had issued a number of

1422
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,480
contracts

1423
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,040
to seven companies now there are seven

1424
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:40,150
that it issued the contract to one of

1425
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,200
them was bae

1426
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:44,720
it's a big company that dan benkert

1427
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:48,079
knows all about

1428
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:51,920
uh the other companies

1429
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,920
also grumman if you look at uh

1430
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,680
so they issued these contracts to

1431
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,240
develop a lot of the systems for nemesis

1432
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,000
to these two companies and five other

1433
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,470
the key navy groups that were developing

1434
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,480
nemesis are all on the east coast

1435
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,799
they're actually around or was it north

1436
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,280
carolina north carolina virginia that

1437
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,400
some somewhere around there sure which

1438
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,240
surprisingly enough is where they keep

1439
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:23,440
seeing all the ufos every day

1440
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,950
so they've got all this stuff there and

1441
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,319
i've given these contracts

1442
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,640
and if you look at bae's web page they

1443
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,599
will tell you that they're

1444
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,200
self-proclaimed

1445
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,839
world leaders in electronic warfare they

1446
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,799
do a lot of things

1447
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,359
they do absolutely ton of things but one

1448
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,119
of the things they do

1449
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,720
is um they're a world leader in

1450
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,319
electronic warfare as is northrop

1451
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:48,079
grumman and northrop grumman make a lot

1452
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,799
of drones

1453
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,200
now if you saw in that picture i i

1454
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,119
mentioned two of those drones were made

1455
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,119
by northrop grumman

1456
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,799
uh from nemesis and

1457
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,400
these guys are all based on the east

1458
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,040
coast now the gimbal was

1459
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:05,200
happened the gimbal event happened on

1460
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,400
the east coast

1461
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,960
in that gimbal video was taken in

1462
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:10,880
january

1463
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,880
2015 on

1464
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,440
off the close north northern coast of

1465
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:19,200
florida i think

1466
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,480
um basically

1467
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,319
in that documentation if you follow it

1468
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,839
through it talks about how they did a

1469
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:27,839
walk and testing out nemesis

1470
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,920
that ended in february 2015.

1471
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,240
so you've got a correlation there yeah

1472
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:36,240
definitely look at the gimbal video

1473
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,400
and what ryan graves talks about he says

1474
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,200
they saw fleets of these things

1475
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,079
well this involves fleets of drones

1476
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,599
you're saying oh one was a big

1477
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:49,359
thing and the other had little drones

1478
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,559
well if you look at the picture there's

1479
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,520
a big drone and there's little drones

1480
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,119
so you know all these things are coming

1481
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,760
together and then you look at where

1482
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,079
the project nemesis is and they're all

1483
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:01,680
around that area where they're starting

1484
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,079
to

1485
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,079
you know the key components of the naval

1486
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,440
bases of

1487
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,799
darpa and all this sort of stuff they're

1488
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,520
all at that east coast area

1489
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,920
around uh where ryan starts saying that

1490
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,680
you know later he says that they start

1491
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,559
seeing things

1492
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,799
every day but that's also where virginia

1493
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:18,480
beach is and virginia beach has

1494
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:22,160
a big issue with people letting loose uh

1495
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:23,599
party balloons i mean i mean

1496
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,430
of the gimbal but all the weddings on

1497
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,799
the beach there's these things

1498
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,480
they've actually issued huge fines for

1499
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,079
letting loose balloons there there's a

1500
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,480
big article about it and uh

1501
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,400
anyway going back to the gimbal event

1502
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,079
2015 they did the

1503
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,880
war game here's a video just for anybody

1504
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,520
that uh

1505
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,280
most people that are watching this are

1506
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:46,480
going to be aware of what they got the

1507
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,200
audience

1508
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,280
listening to the audio oh do you want do

1509
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,480
you want the audio

1510
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,640
or the audio is important all right let

1511
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,319
me let me redo it i thought we didn't

1512
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:56,000
want the audio let's try this again

1513
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,440
and i'll do it with the audio because

1514
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,599
you're right the audio is important

1515
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,280
even though we don't know if that wasn't

1516
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:03,520
tacked on to it there's no prominence

1517
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,240
here we don't

1518
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:06,079
already have important indeed but if you

1519
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,760
can get you can if you can find the

1520
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,160
ttsa version that's got the they

1521
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:12,559
captioned it as well

1522
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:16,559
this one is supposedly unedited okay

1523
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:24,390
yeah he said it's an absolute cleanup

1524
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:30,829
no going against the wind the wind's 120

1525
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:49,990
that's not our ls though is

1526
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:53,270
yeah yeah a couple of things to take out

1527
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,480
of that video

1528
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,720
the wizard or the pilot says it is a

1529
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,119
effing drone

1530
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,960
right he's telling you right there it's

1531
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:02,880
a drone

1532
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,799
um two you don't see any tv mode footage

1533
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,359
there would have been tv mode footage uh

1534
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,359
why don't you see it

1535
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,400
three it's called the gimbal video and

1536
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:16,240
if you watch mick quests i know people

1537
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,760
are going to freak out when you mention

1538
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,119
it

1539
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,960
you might watch mick west's video he

1540
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,720
talks about that being glare and that's

1541
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:24,079
why it rotates because

1542
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,599
the uh the athlete pod gimbals

1543
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,920
that's what it literally does it gimbals

1544
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,359
why does amazing

1545
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,359
why does maybe call it the gimbal video

1546
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:34,880
it was a navy that called it the gimbal

1547
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,760
video

1548
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,599
it's not anyone else it was the navy

1549
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:39,280
they called it the gimbal video

1550
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,040
why did they call it the gimbal video

1551
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,240
they've told you why and the pilot said

1552
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,480
it's a drone it's an effing drone and

1553
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,920
they're going at a gimbal because the

1554
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,559
airflow is glimbering

1555
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,799
and the the thing is the pilot's calling

1556
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,079
it a drone

1557
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:59,599
but here's the kicker whenever you watch

1558
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,799
ryan graves on

1559
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,799
tv or doing an interview he's always got

1560
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,079
this cheeky grin

1561
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:06,400
and i'm thinking this guy's hiding

1562
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:10,720
something you know he says

1563
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:13,599
i'm not saying it's aliens but when it's

1564
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,640
aliens

1565
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,400
yeah it's not right i'm not saying it's

1566
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,079
aliens but it's really weird and that's

1567
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,799
really weird things out there i just

1568
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,480
told you that bae

1569
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,319
was one of the key contractors and the

1570
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,960
self world self-proclaimed world leader

1571
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,640
in electronic warfare

1572
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,960
have a guess what company ryan graves

1573
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:32,799
ended up working at when he

1574
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:36,079
when he retired from the navy

1575
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:39,760
a black budget bae bae oh

1576
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:43,200
interesting yeah electronic warfare

1577
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,079
specialists

1578
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,240
and drone manufacturers but that's where

1579
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:48,880
he works in bae

1580
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,720
where he i looked at the bae web page

1581
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,079
and they've got a web page about their

1582
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,400
electronic warfare capabilities

1583
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,880
and it's got six videos i click on the

1584
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,039
last video

1585
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:03,760
about uh development of electronic water

1586
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:04,400
or something

1587
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,630
i mean what the hell follow the dots

1588
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:13,520
people

1589
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:17,039
that he's out there in the media trying

1590
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,000
to suggest that these are

1591
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:20,000
extraterrestrial spacecraft

1592
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,440
unless it's a purposeful campaign to

1593
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,319
uh obfuscate the real truth that this is

1594
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,920
drone technology you know one of the

1595
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,359
other things i wanted to ask you

1596
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:32,000
because this drives me crazy my audience

1597
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,039
knows this

1598
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,880
we have people in the media that show

1599
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:36,400
these grainy ass videos

1600
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:40,000
that with no clarity and the the facts

1601
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,880
that they

1602
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,359
contribute to the video don't match what

1603
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,039
we're seeing in the video that's the one

1604
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:46,640
thing that drives me crazy but the other

1605
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,119
thing

1606
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,960
that drives me crazy is when people say

1607
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:51,520
things like no one on earth has this

1608
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,559
technology

1609
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:54,640
when it comes to trans medium craft or

1610
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,280
craft that can do 90 degree turns

1611
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,640
and you know i don't know about you but

1612
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,319
you can go down to walmart

1613
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,520
and buy a drone for 50 bucks

1614
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,319
that can do 90 degree turns so it drives

1615
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,760
me crazy that people say

1616
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:09,920
no one on earth has this technology it

1617
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:12,079
must be aliens

1618
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,599
what do you think about these sort of

1619
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:15,359
statements aren't they irresponsible

1620
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,359
and misleading yeah i think people

1621
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,119
dig deep and i think we live in a very

1622
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:23,520
low information world at the moment

1623
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:27,440
we live in a sort of um

1624
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,000
weird situation where you've got at no

1625
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,839
time have you ever had more information

1626
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:32,799
at your disposal

1627
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:36,319
but at the same time uh

1628
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,400
news reporting is at the lowest level of

1629
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:43,200
uh info ever it's almost tabloid right

1630
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,079
now

1631
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,880
yeah yeah we just we want the sound

1632
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:47,839
bites we don't want

1633
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,200
a deep full story you know

1634
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,960
like you know this is why things like

1635
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,559
tick tock are so popular because

1636
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,079
people's attention span

1637
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,839
nobody has attention span to sit and

1638
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,440
listen to real

1639
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:02,880
you know investigative work and and uh

1640
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,440
you know deep dives into a story we want

1641
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:07,280
the five minute quick version

1642
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,960
right yeah so

1643
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:15,520
maybe i'll load up with an image of ryan

1644
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,109
and let me see if i can find it here bae

1645
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:25,599
bae systems it's an aerospace company

1646
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,160
right

1647
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,400
yeah uh look i'll send you the link and

1648
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,680
you can bring it up

1649
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,039
okay yeah you can send it through the

1650
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,520
private chat i believe

1651
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,280
just click on that private chat icon

1652
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,640
over there in the meantime i want to

1653
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,480
remind everybody to like comment

1654
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:41,440
and subscribe it really does help us to

1655
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:41,920
uh

1656
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,839
to expand the show we're trying to get

1657
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,599
me a bigger bullhorn

1658
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,039
that's what i want for christmas that's

1659
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,480
what i want for my birthday i want a

1660
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,640
bigger bullhorn

1661
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:52,880
unfortunately we're in a bad situation

1662
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:54,160
here because

1663
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,520
you know we're trying to give people

1664
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,440
that second red pill after they think

1665
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,880
they got red pill

1666
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,240
you know we're bringing people

1667
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,480
inconvenient truths

1668
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,200
and uh it's not easy growing a channel

1669
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:07,039
like this because we have to have facts

1670
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,000
in hand before we

1671
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,599
put our mouth and gear we can't just

1672
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,520
sell people woo and garbage

1673
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:14,079
fake stories like so many other more

1674
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,720
popular

1675
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:17,280
larger channels covering these subjects

1676
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,160
do

1677
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:19,680
but i think it's important that there's

1678
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:21,760
the other side of the story

1679
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,480
so maybe people can find me if they want

1680
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:26,240
to hear the other side of the story that

1681
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,440
most people

1682
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,359
selling these stories and making huge

1683
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,119
amounts of money selling these stories

1684
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,799
leave out i always find it convenient

1685
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,559
they leave out all of this stuff

1686
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,319
that you and i are talking about nobody

1687
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,680
talks about this

1688
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:39,520
and we should it should be a part of the

1689
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,000
conversation right

1690
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,640
yeah yeah so i sent you the link if you

1691
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:46,799
go on that web page it's the last video

1692
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:47,200
this

1693
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,359
sixth video 23 seconds in

1694
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:52,960
we're gonna see if we can't share that

1695
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:54,400
absolutely

1696
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:56,160
yeah and i know you've got some opinions

1697
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:57,760
on uh on the uh

1698
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:00,640
tic tac video as well yeah tic tac's

1699
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,470
i had some opinions on some of it and i

1700
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,640
have found a lot of information about

1701
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,799
that area that they perform training in

1702
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,799
which absolutely okay so now i'm looking

1703
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:14,400
at i'm looking at the website

1704
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:25,029
distributed electronic warfare yeah yep

1705
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,920
that's the one

1706
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,799
about 23 seconds in let me see if i

1707
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,839
can't get it

1708
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,640
get it to play here it's always weird

1709
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:33,839
when it's on like a

1710
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:36,960
website and not on uh you know not on

1711
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,760
like

1712
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:40,000
youtube but i got it here let's let's

1713
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,359
see if we can share this and you said

1714
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,680
it's 23 seconds in but we'll uh cite

1715
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,039
fair use

1716
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,880
it's a public website so i think this is

1717
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:49,200
perfectly acceptable under fair use but

1718
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,480
we're still going to cite fair use we're

1719
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:52,079
educating the public about these

1720
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,039
subjects and

1721
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,880
using the material we'll be discussing

1722
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:56,240
and critiquing the material we're

1723
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,119
sharing

1724
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,280
this is called electronic warfare

1725
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:01,119
electronic protection and attack

1726
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:04,960
by bae systems interesting

1727
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:07,280
let me make sure that i one second we

1728
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,670
bear with me friends there we go now

1729
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,280
we'll see

1730
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:18,000
this is a great find so this guy is in

1731
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:23,430
and he's on the media faces increasing

1732
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,319
threats

1733
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,920
adversaries with long-range

1734
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,680
multi-spectral electronics

1735
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:29,680
are challenging the warfighter's ability

1736
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:30,720
to access

1737
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:33,280
communicate and navigate in theaters of

1738
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,480
operation

1739
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,280
to counteract these threats bae systems

1740
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:39,119
is innovating technologies that when

1741
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,400
integrated

1742
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:43,520
new missions that is him

1743
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,119
that is so funny let's watch it again so

1744
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,359
i'll see if i can stop it and navigate

1745
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,359
in theaters of operation

1746
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,079
to counteract these threats bae systems

1747
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:56,960
is innovating technologies that

1748
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,920
great so he's in the media going i'm not

1749
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,400
saying it's

1750
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,880
aliens but it's aliens at the same time

1751
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,400
he's working at this company which

1752
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:06,079
develops electronic warfare

1753
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:07,520
countermeasures

1754
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:11,039
and drone technology not not a company

1755
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,480
that does electronic warfare the

1756
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,880
company leader in electronic warfare

1757
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,480
that had the they had what had one of

1758
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:17,920
the contracts for

1759
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,799
with data to prove to provide the some

1760
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:22,640
of this stuff for nemesis

1761
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,839
that yeah do we want to watch the rest

1762
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:27,040
of this i guess

1763
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,480
i don't know it's pretty boy it just

1764
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,279
looks a bit like oh yeah

1765
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,000
yeah electronic warfare mission

1766
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,920
capability

1767
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,920
electronic warfare will provide war

1768
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,600
fighters with efficient control and

1769
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,199
coordination of ew

1770
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:43,759
platform resources yeah look at the

1771
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,239
drones

1772
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,000
activities that are necessary in

1773
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,839
contested environments

1774
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,000
the platforms in this city triangle

1775
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,400
distributed electronic warfare mission

1776
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,799
using advanced electronics cognitive

1777
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,239
sensor processing

1778
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,359
autonomy and cyber technologies as they

1779
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,120
explore a hostile

1780
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,719
all right well we'll bounce out of that

1781
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,799
now we got to get to we have to get to

1782
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,640
the tic tac i want to know what are your

1783
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:07,759
thoughts on the tic tac

1784
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,080
video and then i guess okay so

1785
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,400
i think when you look at something like

1786
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:16,239
a story like that you've got to um

1787
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,600
look around look around the story

1788
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:21,440
where were they what did they do there

1789
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,110
when you start doing that that's when it

1790
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,560
starts to fall

1791
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,440
fall into place because that whole area

1792
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:33,600
the tic tac happened in

1793
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,960
and for and also just a side note

1794
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,960
all that triangle video and all the

1795
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,640
drones they've been

1796
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,000
you've been hearing about that happened

1797
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,560
in 2019 including that sphere that fell

1798
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:46,640
in the water all that stuff

1799
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,159
that and the tic tac all that happened

1800
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,199
in the socal range complex the socal

1801
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:54,719
range complex is

1802
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:58,080
an area uh they do all their military

1803
01:10:02,149 --> 01:09:58,640
training

1804
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,159
and testing of new weapons in okay

1805
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,199
so what part of the

1806
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,360
charter is that they'll take they'll

1807
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,520
test the reactions

1808
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,920
and they develop strategies based on

1809
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,840
that and they'll test new weapons and

1810
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,520
see how they fare

1811
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,600
there's a lot going on and there's like

1812
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,159
1600 military exercises

1813
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:22,800
at least every year in that area so you

1814
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,760
know you're talking about about five

1815
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:28,080
it's a heavy test area for drone for

1816
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,280
drone research

1817
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,880
yeah so there's a lot going on and every

1818
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:32,480
time there's a there's a

1819
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:35,600
at any particular day there's numerous

1820
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:38,320
numerous military exercises happening at

1821
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:38,719
on

1822
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,560
in that day so it's a complex theater so

1823
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:45,199
it leaves at least the uh it leaves the

1824
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,239
door wide open

1825
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,560
for a complex series of situations to

1826
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,760
happen because they could be doing

1827
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,320
missile tests in one part of the uh

1828
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,640
range they could be doing air-to-air

1829
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,640
exercises and not another part

1830
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,560
they can be doing any submarine

1831
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,880
exercises in another part

1832
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,719
uh they can do you know there's a whole

1833
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,840
bunch of stuff they can be doing

1834
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,040
electronic warfare

1835
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,350
yeah but uh if you look at the coast

1836
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:14,000
and at all a lot of the uh facilities

1837
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,480
they have

1838
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,560
are on san clement uh san clemente

1839
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,840
island

1840
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:19,760
but uh if you look at the coast going

1841
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:23,360
down to san diego san diego is actually

1842
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,719
where score is score is uh

1843
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,560
basically the facility they run the

1844
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,000
exercises from

1845
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,880
and it's based in san diego on the coast

1846
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,960
here that island the north i whatever

1847
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:36,640
it's called

1848
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,760
um so

1849
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,840
and then if you look onshore you'll see

1850
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:43,520
things like there's a lot of companies

1851
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,159
that have

1852
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,159
offices there there's companies that

1853
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,480
have electronic warfare

1854
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,880
systems a lot of companies that make

1855
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,520
threat radar simulators

1856
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,560
there's the skunk works

1857
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,480
uh sure there's

1858
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:01,760
where they have the black projects

1859
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,280
what's that called i forget now

1860
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,719
next to skunk works um

1861
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,480
all the other guys are there basically

1862
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:11,920
everyone basically

1863
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,960
aerospace it's called aerospace alley

1864
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,719
you know how we have silicon valley

1865
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:18,800
there's also aerospace alley where all

1866
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,120
these

1867
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,040
aerospace companies are there and

1868
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:23,040
certainly they probably are doing test

1869
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:25,120
flights and things of their prototypes

1870
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,840
and their

1871
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,159
systems are developing so it's like

1872
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,920
occam's razor are these things

1873
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,360
extraterrestrial space

1874
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,400
alien spacecraft or maybe because they

1875
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,400
were all seen right near where all this

1876
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,159
stuff is tested they could be

1877
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:41,520
earthly drone technology yeah so

1878
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,760
with the tic tac i know that uh on san

1879
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:46,000
clemente island is

1880
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,320
since 1991 believe it or not they've had

1881
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,280
numerous electronic warfare facilities

1882
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,719
big ones

1883
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,800
big electronic warfare facilities that

1884
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,640
have amongst others amongst

1885
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,440
jammers they've also got things called

1886
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,080
threat radar simulators

1887
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,239
which basically do what they sound like

1888
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,400
they can simulate a radar they can

1889
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,120
simulate a missile's guidance radar

1890
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,679
and send out signals like that and a

1891
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,199
ship will pick that up as if a

1892
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,239
missile's coming at them uh they can

1893
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:21,280
uh simulate a

1894
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:24,719
aircraft search radar so a ship will

1895
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,840
set that up and you know as if an

1896
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,960
aircraft and they can

1897
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:31,360
mimic basically fleets of anything

1898
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:32,640
coming up

1899
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,840
part of the reason they put those

1900
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,679
facilities there because it's cheaper to

1901
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,520
mimic stuff like that rather than send

1902
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,600
out real missile drones

1903
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:42,080
and stuff like that this is all at san

1904
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,199
clemente island

1905
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,560
uh sacramento also has

1906
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,080
an area i think it's at the south end

1907
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,960
where they fire off uh drone

1908
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,800
uh drone missiles are basically jet

1909
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,159
powered they fire them off

1910
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:56,400
a little wing they look like a missile

1911
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,280
and they use those

1912
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,600
target practices as well so there's a

1913
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,400
lot going on from san clemente island

1914
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,719
and they can also use mobile emitters

1915
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:05,600
throughout

1916
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,880
the electro socal range complex so they

1917
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:10,800
can make

1918
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,600
you know they can spoof anything yeah

1919
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:14,960
they could spread

1920
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:18,000
fighter aircraft or ships

1921
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,440
now i'm not saying that they that's what

1922
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:21,920
happened that day on the tic-tac-toe

1923
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,040
but it would explain all those weird

1924
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:26,880
tracks that they picked up

1925
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,080
around san clemente island funny enough

1926
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:33,199
um so

1927
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,640
you know you talk about those radar

1928
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:36,400
tracks doing weird things i mean there's

1929
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,440
a lot of

1930
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:39,360
discussion about that because kevin dave

1931
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,960
didn't really see that himself he asked

1932
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,560
someone else someone told him it's like

1933
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:44,480
a fourth-hand discussion

1934
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:47,280
oh yeah my uncle's brother's cousin told

1935
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:47,760
me

1936
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,880
yeah that's all it is there's no real

1937
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,560
first-hand acknowledge of

1938
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,640
anything going from 80 000 feet to sea

1939
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:56,719
level in a second kevin day's

1940
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,320
talking about that it's like third hand

1941
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,400
um anyway he talks about seeing these

1942
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,560
objects on the radar coming down first

1943
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:06,239
this is his first hand account he talks

1944
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,280
about all these

1945
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,760
objects coming down in the fleet just

1946
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:11,199
sort of through the so-called range

1947
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:11,920
complex

1948
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,120
and they disappear before they get to

1949
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,239
guadalupe island funny enough guadalupe

1950
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,679
island is at the southern end

1951
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:22,080
boundary of socal of the so-called range

1952
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,679
complex

1953
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:25,520
yeah so they're staying within the test

1954
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:28,000
complex yeah so

1955
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,400
sightings are literally within drone

1956
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,239
tests

1957
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,000
well they're in the there in a circle

1958
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,760
range complex where they conduct all the

1959
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:37,440
military training and the military

1960
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:38,159
training

1961
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:41,440
is um just to give you an idea of the

1962
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,880
different military training they do they

1963
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:44,480
do missile tests they'll do

1964
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:45,520
anti-submarine

1965
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,120
uh exercises they'll do air-to-air

1966
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,080
exercises uh they'll do electronic

1967
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:53,520
warfare exercises

1968
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:56,400
they'll even do cryptologic simulation

1969
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,120
there's just

1970
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,280
absolutely lots of stuff going on and

1971
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:00,800
part of the stuff they do there and it's

1972
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:02,480
in the it's in the chat of what they do

1973
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,199
i'm not making this up

1974
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,840
they do test new weapons there they do

1975
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:09,679
test new weapons in the area to see how

1976
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,400
they fare

1977
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,560
and they also test the fleet to gauge

1978
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,880
their their readiness

1979
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,719
and their reactions so that they can

1980
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,320
build new tactics based on their

1981
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,440
reactions

1982
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:21,280
this is in the charter of what they do

1983
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,880
there

1984
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:25,679
so i think we've got to remember what

1985
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:28,080
actually is happening in this area

1986
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:36,070
there's a number of rea there's just an

1987
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,360
absolute plethora of

1988
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:40,400
explanations that could explain those

1989
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,520
uh radar tracks where they're flying in

1990
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:45,280
formation coming down at 100 knots it

1991
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:46,719
could have been an electronic warfare

1992
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,560
exercise i know i've got documentation

1993
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,480
that shows i did

1994
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:53,280
five to 600 electronic warfare exercises

1995
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,920
that year

1996
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,080
so almost two a day or one and a half a

1997
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,600
day

1998
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:59,040
and what do you say to the people though

1999
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,800
who argue and i've heard this argument

2000
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,480
and i think it's ridiculous

2001
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:04,480
that if anybody was testing something

2002
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:07,120
they would let the navy ships know

2003
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,440
yeah i think that's garbage if you're

2004
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,120
testing a black project you're not

2005
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:12,960
telling anybody

2006
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,560
yeah both um both pj hughes and another

2007
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:19,280
tic tac interviewee uh called carson

2008
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,560
cramer

2009
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:22,320
they were both witnesses in the tick

2010
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,600
neck that are on the ships

2011
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:25,760
um both of them basically said that's

2012
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,960
[\h__\h]

2013
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,199
that they they know personally of

2014
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,199
exercises that were ran where they knew

2015
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,120
that no one else knew

2016
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,679
so it's totally feasible that you know

2017
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:36,880
the brass would know

2018
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,120
and no one else would know i mean how do

2019
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,640
you test something if it

2020
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,800
relies on if you're trying to test

2021
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,280
someone's reaction how do you tell them

2022
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,920
yeah yeah the whole thing it voids the

2023
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,440
test right there and then you can't tell

2024
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,120
them

2025
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,760
um especially if you want to see maybe

2026
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:55,360
let's just say for example they just

2027
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,159
want to see

2028
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,560
how a navy ship would react to this in

2029
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,159
their air space

2030
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,800
right could they could they approach it

2031
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,920
could they shoot it down

2032
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,360
like what are they going to do maybe

2033
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:07,600
that's part of the tests to see

2034
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,640
how our defenses would handle uh a

2035
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,239
possible foreign

2036
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:15,600
aircraft incurring into u.s airspace and

2037
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,880
the ship's air space that's right

2038
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:21,199
so yeah so you got all that going on and

2039
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,640
that you've got all those possible

2040
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,239
explanations for the radar tracks it

2041
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:25,440
could have been electronic warfare

2042
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,080
exercise

2043
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,480
there was plenty to go around they did

2044
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,400
it was the second most or the most

2045
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:32,159
type of exercise they did that you knew

2046
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,760
was electronic warfare so that should

2047
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:36,000
tell you something right there and then

2048
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:40,400
um but here's the kicker

2049
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:43,840
they called it control and command

2050
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:44,640
warfare

2051
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,080
c2w and c2w

2052
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:50,400
is when the in the documentation i

2053
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:51,679
looked at is

2054
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,040
used synonymously to with ew

2055
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:57,920
and references electronic warfare but if

2056
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:58,480
you look up

2057
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,159
c2w along with electronic warfare it

2058
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,600
includes a couple of other things that

2059
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,520
are quite interesting

2060
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,880
uh the other things other than

2061
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:09,440
electronic warfare includes is

2062
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:12,480
military deception psyops

2063
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,440
and civil war yeah that's not a

2064
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:16,719
coincidence victor

2065
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:19,920
that's just a coincidence that's just a

2066
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:20,800
coincidence

2067
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,199
that doesn't answer what the tic tac

2068
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,600
thing itself was and there's a whole

2069
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,600
bunch of things going on there there's

2070
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:32,159
it's very confusing because alex

2071
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:33,920
dietrich says she had eyes on the tic

2072
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,080
tac for eight seconds

2073
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:39,040
uh fraver says he had eyes on the tic

2074
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:40,880
tacs for five minutes

2075
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,800
so there's a huge discrepancy there so i

2076
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,560
don't know what's going on there

2077
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,440
uh there's different reports taken at

2078
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:49,120
different times there's a report that

2079
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,560
was leaked

2080
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:52,719
by the guy who said he worked on the

2081
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,920
nimitz

2082
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,840
who came one on the who went under the

2083
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,760
username the final theory and leaked the

2084
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:59,280
tic tac video

2085
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:01,360
and a report called the event summary

2086
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,520
which was meant to be

2087
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,840
a report of what happened taken from the

2088
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,400
pilots on that day

2089
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,199
and that tells a different story then

2090
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:12,960
there's the eight tip report that says a

2091
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,159
different story

2092
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,880
it's there's a tts report and there's a

2093
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,520
different story altogether

2094
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,080
um yeah these things don't don't often

2095
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:23,920
match or jive with each other whether

2096
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:26,239
it's to more speculation if you if you

2097
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,880
want to stop

2098
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:29,360
conspiracy theories get your facts

2099
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,639
straight

2100
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:32,880
and don't tell six different stories you

2101
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,159
know one of the other things that i

2102
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,480
think is interesting is that these

2103
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,560
you know people are claiming well i'm

2104
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,960
releasing this unclassified video from

2105
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:43,040
the classified briefing and i don't know

2106
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,560
but i've talked to people who worked on

2107
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:46,000
navy ships we have

2108
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,239
rylo 704 uh has worked on navy ships

2109
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:52,560
you know and he said you can't just take

2110
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,920
your cell phone out

2111
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,920
in a command center and start taking

2112
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:56,960
videos

2113
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,199
and give them the journalists you get

2114
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:01,440
fired you get court-martialed

2115
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:04,239
and also if they do take any sort of

2116
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:04,880
video

2117
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,080
or have data on an unknown aircraft

2118
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:10,639
they don't declassify that because

2119
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,199
that's

2120
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,679
you know a problem we don't know what

2121
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:14,800
this aircraft was

2122
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:17,840
could've been russian iranian uh

2123
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:20,560
you know chinese one of our other

2124
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,600
adversaries

2125
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,320
spying on us we're gonna investigate

2126
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,480
this fully we're not gonna unclassify

2127
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,080
this video of

2128
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,960
some flying object in our in our naval

2129
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:31,840
air space

2130
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,440
and you know infringing right right near

2131
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:37,199
navy air ships and we're not just going

2132
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:38,560
to click declassify

2133
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,840
and give it to journalists that that's

2134
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,040
ridiculous

2135
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:45,120
yeah so in regards to the tic tac i mean

2136
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,159
there's

2137
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,080
if you look at the reports it leads to a

2138
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:50,159
few scenarios one report says

2139
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:53,760
the uss uh lewisville submarine was

2140
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,400
there

2141
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,480
in that vicinity conducting live fire

2142
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,480
tests in the vicinity of where the tic

2143
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,560
tac was meant to be

2144
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:02,080
so some people think that they

2145
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:03,920
accidentally got vectored into a

2146
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,280
live fire test um

2147
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,400
and they're trying to hush it up

2148
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,360
uh the other thing is and this is a real

2149
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:15,120
weird one

2150
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:22,070
trevor and alex weren't the first person

2151
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,719
to see

2152
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:25,120
the disturbance in the water the first

2153
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:26,320
jet on the scene was

2154
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,400
the douglas cheeks curt he was flying a

2155
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:32,480
single seater f-18

2156
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:36,560
c and he was part of the marines

2157
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:39,600
and oddly enough

2158
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:43,600
uh fraver and alex

2159
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:46,880
were meant to start a war game with

2160
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:47,440
kurth

2161
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,960
and another pilot soon

2162
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,480
just before that but they sort of got

2163
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:54,000
redirected

2164
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:55,280
just as they were meant to start an

2165
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,510
and um yeah and why do you not hear

2166
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,520
about this first pilot who witnessed it

2167
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,400
you hear almost nothing about him it's

2168
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:08,400
the front man on this story he's been on

2169
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:09,760
all the interviews

2170
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:12,400
joe rogan lex friedman all these

2171
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:12,960
different

2172
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,800
media outlets interviewed him but

2173
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:16,639
nobody's interviewed the first pilot

2174
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,600
who witnessed this thing yeah he didn't

2175
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:21,520
witness the tic tac what he said was

2176
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:24,639
he was vectored there and as he got

2177
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:27,600
close to about 15 nautical miles

2178
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,199
um he's picked up fraver and

2179
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:34,400
alex's uh jets on the radar

2180
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,840
and you could see them approaching as

2181
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:37,440
well

2182
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:43,510
he then got another radio call to say uh

2183
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,400
skip it

2184
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:47,120
because two other jets are going there

2185
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,239
so go back

2186
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,719
to your cat point or whatever but he

2187
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:52,239
decided

2188
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:56,000
on his own close enough i'm going to fly

2189
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,880
over anyway

2190
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,120
so no one knew he was doing this and he

2191
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,960
flew over this disturbance in the water

2192
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:02,000
it circled around

2193
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,920
it at that exact time alex and fravor

2194
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:07,760
rolled up

2195
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:10,800
and they were looking down and saw

2196
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:15,030
[Music]

2197
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:19,040
kurtz off alex and friend and uh fraver

2198
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:27,110
interesting curse didn't see a tic tac

2199
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,840
alex and frater didn't see kirth you see

2200
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,960
what i'm getting at

2201
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,480
yeah so it could be as simple as this

2202
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,719
was an airplane and it was observed from

2203
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:36,560
a distance far enough away that

2204
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:38,960
maybe the body shape of it or whatever

2205
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,280
was obscured from their view

2206
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,920
because of the distance involved yeah i

2207
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,280
mean there was a there's a

2208
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:46,800
bit in the event summary that talked

2209
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,440
about haze being present

2210
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,760
although there was no clouds there was a

2211
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:53,760
lot of haze apparently

2212
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,199
so did they see kirth

2213
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:59,280
did they see douglas kurtz jet he did

2214
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,400
fly up

2215
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,560
he was at that perfect time he flew

2216
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:04,400
around the serpents in the water they

2217
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:05,920
saw something over the disturbance of

2218
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:12,310
and then he flew off so

2219
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,520
yeah yeah it's a bit but here we

2220
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,679
you know that that's not a that's pretty

2221
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:20,000
boring story misidentified aircraft or

2222
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,199
misidentified

2223
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,000
drone right or for that matter

2224
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:26,239
misidentified target balloon

2225
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,520
right it could be a lot of different

2226
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,440
things but these these

2227
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,920
alien hucksters they sort of you know

2228
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:33,360
they skip over that

2229
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,800
one thing i didn't know is that david

2230
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:36,719
fraber has an incredible amount of

2231
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:38,840
television

2232
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:44,709
it was like on a reality show before the

2233
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,149
after s tic tac event no i did not know

2234
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:58,320
that so that's interesting

2235
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,520
uh so and here's another one remember i

2236
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,000
told you that bae and northrop grumman

2237
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:06,320
were key contractors to the nemesis

2238
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,320
project electronic warfare

2239
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,639
nemesis project and i mentioned how ryan

2240
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,639
graves ended up working for bae in the

2241
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:13,679
electronic warfare

2242
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:17,280
area guess where

2243
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:21,120
fraber ended up working now for baa

2244
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,110
yeah you know it's interesting that

2245
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,120
there is ample and supportive evidence

2246
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:32,239
of defense contractors knowingly and

2247
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,360
willingly

2248
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:35,679
spreading alien stories to cover their

2249
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,880
tests

2250
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:39,280
right yeah they float stories they send

2251
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,159
they've been caught

2252
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,159
sending people to ufo conferences with

2253
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:44,000
stories and other things

2254
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:47,120
so what if this this whole this might be

2255
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,880
aliens is just cover

2256
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,320
they're trying to cover their tracks for

2257
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,840
the testing that they're doing and like

2258
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:53,360
you mentioned there could have been

2259
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,840
some kind of uh exercise that that these

2260
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:57,840
navy personnel stumbled onto didn't even

2261
01:27:02,629 --> 01:26:59,920
know it was taking place

2262
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:02,639
yeah or they saw douglas curth and just

2263
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,440
misid

2264
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,760
i mean it sounds ridiculous i don't know

2265
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,120
this is ridiculous too

2266
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,840
i don't know if this is true he says his

2267
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:11,199
call sign is sex

2268
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:14,320
it can't be really david sexford

2269
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,840
is it really that dude picked sex for

2270
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,520
his call sign look at him

2271
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,280
i don't want to think about that that's

2272
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:26,229
yeah but let's picture this picture the

2273
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:27,760
scenario

2274
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,040
fravor and alex

2275
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,159
are vectored to the tic tac area

2276
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:37,600
they're told on uh they're told to

2277
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,800
they're given a world a real world

2278
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:43,199
vector it's a real world scenario

2279
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,400
they've been taken off training and

2280
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,159
as you've seen in all their testimonies

2281
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,679
they were really concerned about it

2282
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:51,199
because they didn't have any weapons on

2283
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:51,600
their

2284
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:57,669
yeah and that says something about the

2285
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,440
operational readiness

2286
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,280
of the united states military which is

2287
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:03,360
scary to me because what if that was a

2288
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:04,639
chinese fighter plane

2289
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,120
or bomber they don't have any weapons to

2290
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:08,800
deal with a threat that's flying right

2291
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:09,760
towards the

2292
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,280
california coast yeah so they're on edge

2293
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,360
they roll up

2294
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,840
um they don't know what to expect they

2295
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:18,800
see something

2296
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:21,920
flying it starts going around you know

2297
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:24,320
doing some weird things around the the

2298
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,480
disturbance on the water

2299
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:28,320
douglas curt's not meant to be there

2300
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,080
you're not expecting douglas girth to be

2301
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:31,760
there

2302
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:34,400
let's just go you know just a hypothesis

2303
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,520
here

2304
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:37,280
let's say they see douglas curth down

2305
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:38,639
there he's in an f-18

2306
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,239
they say it was an f-18 size object

2307
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:44,719
he circles around and he flies back up

2308
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,840
it's

2309
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,360
at closing speed it would have been more

2310
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:49,120
than supersonic

2311
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:52,960
and uh he flashes by

2312
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:55,520
um they say they didn't get electronic

2313
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:56,000
they

2314
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:00,960
what could jam another f-18

2315
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:05,120
an f-18 f-18 has these on it

2316
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,800
you know like it's got radar jamming

2317
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,639
radar jamming yeah one of those pods

2318
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,639
underneath some of those f-18s are

2319
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,480
actually radar jamming

2320
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,239
it's a pod filled with a device that

2321
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,159
will jam enemy radar

2322
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,600
and they routinely will fly with that

2323
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,360
one that's right

2324
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:23,280
and it's an automatic i understand one

2325
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:24,480
of the systems is

2326
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:28,159
automated like it'll automatically jam

2327
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:32,080
a radar lock so

2328
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,719
so you've got that it look it when you

2329
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,199
look at that story it all fits

2330
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,080
every single bit of it fits that it may

2331
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:42,880
have been douglas curt's jet

2332
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:45,679
accept the visual they saw something

2333
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:48,080
they say it looked like a tic-tac

2334
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:51,520
and obviously an f-18c is not a tic-tac

2335
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:54,560
so did they

2336
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:57,199
but they were far away from it though it

2337
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:58,239
would have been

2338
01:30:02,229 --> 01:30:00,080
what four or five thousand feet or

2339
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,239
whatever just above the water they said

2340
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:03,840
and they were twenty four thousand feet

2341
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:06,719
so that's quite a long way away

2342
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,239
so with a bit of haze would it

2343
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,960
might look like a heat you know maybe a

2344
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,560
particular type of paint job

2345
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:16,239
who knows maybe it did look like a tic

2346
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,280
tac but it is interesting so

2347
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:21,199
all i'm saying is that there's it's a

2348
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,320
complex story

2349
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:26,159
the details are really unclear there's

2350
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,920
various types of reports

2351
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,440
a lot of stuff was happening in the

2352
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:31,440
so-called range complex

2353
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,679
there was war games and exercises called

2354
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:35,280
law happening

2355
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,080
every single day there was a sub firing

2356
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:40,000
missiles in that area

2357
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:43,440
for goodness sake um you got kirth

2358
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:44,080
flying

2359
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,760
past this disturbance in the water and

2360
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:47,280
flying around it when he was

2361
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:50,320
not meant to be there they didn't see

2362
01:30:55,710 --> 01:30:50,800
him

2363
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:57,830
[Applause]

2364
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:01,199
yeah other than that

2365
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:05,199
um yeah that's all i know about the tic

2366
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:06,000
tac event

2367
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,880
is so make it make it make of all that

2368
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,920
as you will

2369
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,239
but again i love this because tonight

2370
01:31:16,149 --> 01:31:14,000
you talked about all these things that

2371
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:16,159
get left out of the story

2372
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:18,159
there's things that nobody talks about

2373
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,520
as far as like possible

2374
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:22,480
very terrestrial explanations and and

2375
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,199
you know listen

2376
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,760
i i'd like for people to realize that

2377
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:27,520
i'd like to be a believer but

2378
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:30,080
when i i'm just skeptical because of the

2379
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:31,600
amount first of all because the amount

2380
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:34,320
of ufo fraudery and forgery and fakery

2381
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,639
that goes on and secondly

2382
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:38,239
when when you really studied some of

2383
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:40,000
these events you see that the people

2384
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:41,920
pushing the stories

2385
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,080
they leave out very important

2386
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,480
information that people deserve to know

2387
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:48,400
like i said the other side of the story

2388
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:50,639
here is what we're hearing today

2389
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,750
99 95 sure the gimbal stuff

2390
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:02,000
is not nothing special but they saw

2391
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:04,080
drones basically

2392
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:07,120
and that sphere in the balloon or square

2393
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,880
inside a sphere was probably one of

2394
01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:10,080
those

2395
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,199
reflector balloons i had a

2396
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:17,520
that are funny enough deployed from an

2397
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:25,430
shows that sphere with a square ice

2398
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:28,639
a cube in it actually being deployed

2399
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:31,360
from an f-18 i mean

2400
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,800
could it be it could have been a modern

2401
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:34,400
version of that that had some ecm

2402
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:35,440
instead

2403
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:39,120
probably um they said we buy ecm just

2404
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,480
just for the benefit of the audience you

2405
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:42,560
mean electronic counter measures yeah

2406
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:46,239
so um they were doing a war game test of

2407
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:46,960
nemesis

2408
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:49,760
on the east coast that ended in february

2409
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:57,270
it's you know the contract for

2410
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:59,920
nemesis went to bae and some other

2411
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:00,719
companies

2412
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:03,840
northrop grumman etc uh

2413
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,600
ryan graves is talking about the great

2414
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:08,400
uh the gimbal story

2415
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:11,840
it ends up nemesis is

2416
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:14,400
produced by i said bae in that and ryan

2417
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:15,760
graves ends up with bae

2418
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:17,760
working in the electronic you know in

2419
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:19,040
the electronic warfare

2420
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:22,639
video i mean come on

2421
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:24,719
every time i see that guy he's grinning

2422
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,790
so

2423
01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:34,950
and they go faster i mean who cares if

2424
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,560
the thing was going fast or not the

2425
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:38,000
thing was flying along in a straight

2426
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:39,840
line could have been anything

2427
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,560
it's the biggest non-story ever of the

2428
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:44,400
go fast

2429
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:47,440
um so yeah so i got pretty

2430
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,040
you know it's pretty disillusioning when

2431
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:50,880
you look at all that

2432
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:53,760
um but um there was a story that i

2433
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,800
looked at last

2434
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,880
that probably disillusioned me the most

2435
01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:58,560
and that was the

2436
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:02,000
the westall case in australia

2437
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,600
i was just gonna ask you about the west

2438
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:05,679
hall case in australia because you're an

2439
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:08,080
australian i have not done a deep dive

2440
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,679
into that case what can you tell us

2441
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:10,800
first of all

2442
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:13,679
about the case and and what you found

2443
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,239
okay

2444
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:15,920
so generally if you don't know the story

2445
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:19,440
there was in 1966

2446
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,199
and fun fact i lived i grew up less than

2447
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:25,440
a mile from where this took place

2448
01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:27,520
this is why it was a hometown story for

2449
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:28,800
me

2450
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:32,159
um so yeah in 1966

2451
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:33,920
in a place called westall which is the

2452
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:35,600
suburb next to where i grew up

2453
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:38,800
um it

2454
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:40,880
there was two schools next to each other

2455
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:42,960
a primary and a secondary

2456
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:47,360
and um they

2457
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:50,320
tons of kids tons of teachers middle of

2458
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:50,880
the day

2459
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:52,400
or i think it was the morning like 10

2460
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:53,920
o'clock or something

2461
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,320
um they a lot of kids on the oval doing

2462
01:35:01,750 --> 01:35:00,719
pe which is physical education and they

2463
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:01,760
look up

2464
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:05,280
and they see something in the sky and

2465
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:08,639
it's like a silvery thing it goes around

2466
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:09,040
and

2467
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,560
they're all excited they run into the

2468
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:12,239
classrooms and they tell some of the

2469
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:13,600
teachers

2470
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:15,280
one teacher i think comes out another

2471
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:16,719
one comes out a little later and just

2472
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,480
misses most of it

2473
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,239
there was also was one teacher already

2474
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:21,920
on the oval

2475
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,440
and um they see all this thing

2476
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:27,199
some of them say they saw a plane going

2477
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,560
around it they look like a cessna

2478
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:32,239
they see this thing maybe it makes some

2479
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:33,920
moves generally it's just floating

2480
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,880
around

2481
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:37,360
and then it flies over past the school

2482
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:38,639
to about a point

2483
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:42,239
half a k away which is about

2484
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:46,800
500 yards in your american talk

2485
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,239
and um it flies over these trees

2486
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:52,159
and seems to come down over these tall

2487
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:53,840
pine trees

2488
01:36:02,149 --> 01:35:59,119
and supposedly later it flies off

2489
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:02,159
that's the core bit of the story okay

2490
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,159
if you watch the westall 66 documentary

2491
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,639
there's all this added stuff in there

2492
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:10,880
that makes it interesting story there's

2493
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:13,920
one where a boy goes up uh

2494
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:16,639
caesar your two ufos land next to the

2495
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:17,679
school

2496
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:21,920
jumps the fence

2497
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,719
and there's two ufos there and he and a

2498
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,800
number of kids are around this ufo

2499
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,800
he's he's so close he could touch it but

2500
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:30,239
he just he's about to touch it but he

2501
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,840
decides not to because he can feel some

2502
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,080
heat off it

2503
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,960
and um there's other kids around the

2504
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,480
other one there's

2505
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:40,480
tons of kids behind the fence i imagine

2506
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:41,600
a lot of them are over

2507
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,030
two things there is no other students

2508
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:53,280
that cooperate that

2509
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:56,320
out of hundreds of students and i know

2510
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:56,880
the

2511
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:01,199
interviewed

2512
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:04,960
and got testimonies from lots of kids

2513
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,280
no other kid could verify the only thing

2514
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:09,199
he could verify was sort of like uh

2515
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:12,320
someone whose mother may have worked at

2516
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,040
the shop or something said that they

2517
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:17,760
think they did see that at the window of

2518
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:21,679
a business that was down the street

2519
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:23,199
i asked him about what about all these

2520
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:25,600
other uh student witnesses that were

2521
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:27,440
there that this uh this boy says was

2522
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:28,560
there and he says no

2523
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,080
no other witnesses came forward no one

2524
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,960
can back him up really

2525
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:34,719
so i said i'm like well why did you put

2526
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,470
so there's that one aspect if you watch

2527
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:42,400
the documentary you'll know it's the key

2528
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:45,360
bit in that documentary

2529
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,600
um there's another bit about if you ever

2530
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:49,040
watch the documentary you'll know this

2531
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:50,800
bit there's a bit about this girl

2532
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:53,840
called tanya who ran up to the to the

2533
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,800
ufo

2534
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:56,960
uh when it landed over the pine trees

2535
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,520
her and some other girls

2536
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,679
and before the two other girls could get

2537
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,920
there this girl tanya supposedly got

2538
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:05,119
there

2539
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:08,000
and she came back running and screaming

2540
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,719
and later she

2541
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:10,560
fainted at school and ambulance had to

2542
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:15,830
and that story is told second hand from

2543
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:18,320
one of the other witnesses

2544
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:21,920
so i said uh detain you ever get found

2545
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:25,040
did you ever talk to tanya and the

2546
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:28,320
producer of the documentary whose name

2547
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:31,280
is rosie did find her and interviewed

2548
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:32,960
her

2549
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:36,000
and shane the who's in the documentary

2550
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:37,679
he's the guy you see in the documentary

2551
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,080
he said that um

2552
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,800
tanya didn't tanya remember the event

2553
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:44,320
but didn't remember

2554
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:47,440
some or at least some

2555
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:50,159
of the things that some of the other

2556
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:51,679
witnesses said about what

2557
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:55,199
had occurred with her so i'm like

2558
01:38:58,930 --> 01:38:56,840
so why did you put that bit in the

2559
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,940
documentary

2560
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:00,960
[Applause]

2561
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,080
so you get to another bit uh

2562
01:39:07,990 --> 01:39:06,800
and there's a girl that says she was a

2563
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:08,000
woman now obviously

2564
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:11,520
and she says that she saw

2565
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:14,719
she got to there and didn't see it

2566
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,880
uh but saw it up in the air as it took

2567
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,080
off she got close

2568
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,119
and didn't get to where it landed

2569
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,639
she presumed it landed didn't see it

2570
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:25,199
land but when she got close she saw it

2571
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:26,719
way up in the sky

2572
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:30,320
and then it took off and then uh

2573
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:32,560
that's in the whistle 66 direct uh

2574
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:33,920
documentary but in

2575
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:38,639
a recent tv network special

2576
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,239
she's in there saying oh yeah i sort of

2577
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,760
land i went right up to it

2578
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,400
i felt the heat off it and i had these

2579
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:46,080
purple lights around there

2580
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:53,030
people add to the story there's other

2581
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:54,320
kids

2582
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,600
aliens and and

2583
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,760
you know but none of the it's like

2584
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:01,600
there's not a lot of consistency

2585
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:06,000
or corroboration between the stories and

2586
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:07,840
yes so i was polite about it and i said

2587
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,480
look i spoke to the

2588
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:13,440
you know shane i said look she's changed

2589
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:14,320
her story

2590
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:17,440
and it was like oh did she i'm like

2591
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:18,800
you know in the back of my head i'm like

2592
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:21,520
come on man this is like a huge story

2593
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:22,320
jane

2594
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:24,320
yeah you know between your documentary

2595
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,000
and what you just said last night on tv

2596
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:31,280
and um he's like well

2597
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:33,040
what can happen is that when you do they

2598
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:34,719
do an interview they can cut it and make

2599
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:37,440
it seem like people say different things

2600
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:39,679
and because she never saw it on the

2601
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,360
ground i'm like well she

2602
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,280
specifically said she saw it on the

2603
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:44,960
ground for a minute

2604
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:47,520
before she took off well maybe it was

2605
01:40:57,350 --> 01:40:55,350
he's gonna make excuses and i just want

2606
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,360
to take a moment to recognize here

2607
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,360
hold on we have tractor basil with a

2608
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:01,360
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2609
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:02,719
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2610
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:05,040
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2611
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,320
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2612
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:08,320
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2613
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:09,360
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2614
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:15,280
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01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,800
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2616
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:18,239
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2617
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:19,760
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2618
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:21,199
with a kind and generous donation we

2619
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:23,199
read every single super chat here so

2620
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:29,669
and then the recent in the recent film

2621
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,000
the phenomenon um

2622
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,920
that guy went back and re-interviewed

2623
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:35,360
all the children and claimed that they

2624
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:38,159
all stuck to their story 100

2625
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,520
so yeah right really depends yeah

2626
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,159
so basically as i interviewed so then i

2627
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,560
got stuck into a bit more like you know

2628
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,239
red flags are popping up all over the

2629
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,320
place

2630
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,639
so then i started talking to the people

2631
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,320
that were witnesses

2632
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:56,480
because there was a there's uh you know

2633
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:57,840
you can do that

2634
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,760
yeah and dark sky finals is in the live

2635
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:02,080
chat yeah and he says he just

2636
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,679
he literally just posted that

2637
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,760
documentary on his channel

2638
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,679
so if you want to see the documentary

2639
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,840
that victor is talking about on the west

2640
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,760
on this case you can go over to dark sky

2641
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,760
files i encourage you to go uh

2642
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,199
subscribe he's got a lot of old

2643
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,600
documentaries old interviews of john lee

2644
01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:19,040
and stuff that's melting off the

2645
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:20,480
internet that you can't get anywhere

2646
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:21,119
else

2647
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,800
it's a really good source for this kind

2648
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:24,320
of information especially the older

2649
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:25,600
stuff that is getting

2650
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:29,360
increasingly more and more hard to find

2651
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:32,880
so yeah then i started talking to some

2652
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:33,840
of the um

2653
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,830
the witnesses they're grown up now

2654
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:41,440
obviously this happened a very long time

2655
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:42,639
ago

2656
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:44,880
and these are confirmed witnesses and i

2657
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,360
noticed people were posting

2658
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,360
occasionally that be a witness pop up

2659
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:51,280
saying uh what are you guys talking

2660
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,109
and oh you know what i'm confusing it

2661
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:59,040
actually the phenomenon was on the ariel

2662
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:01,360
zimbabwe case not the westfall case so i

2663
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,320
apologize

2664
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,880
all right absolutely right because

2665
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:06,480
they're very similar cases because they

2666
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,880
both

2667
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:08,800
have school children seeing ufos and

2668
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:11,199
aliens so i apologize i conflated the

2669
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:11,920
two

2670
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:13,840
easy to do thanks for correcting me

2671
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,119
there jay roach

2672
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:17,840
i appreciate it yeah so i started

2673
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,199
talking to a couple of witnesses and i

2674
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,880
started noticing some witnesses saying

2675
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:22,159
that they actually saw

2676
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,920
and thought it was a balloon and then

2677
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,280
there was like a little war that would

2678
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,520
erupt between the other witnesses

2679
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:30,239
uh that were part of the whistle 66 doco

2680
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,440
and these people saying

2681
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:33,040
it was a balloon and it was like oh you

2682
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,910
so i started talking to these people and

2683
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,760
they were like uh

2684
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:42,159
yeah it's a balloon and i said did you

2685
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,119
know the guy that

2686
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:45,600
uh said he went up and almost touched it

2687
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:46,719
and he goes yeah he lives around the

2688
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,310
he's full of [\h__\h] i see him every second

2689
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:54,639
weekend at the pub

2690
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,800
because he's full of he's full of crap

2691
01:44:02,870 --> 01:43:58,719
i'm like okay

2692
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,880
um no one at the time

2693
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:05,199
knew of anyone that went up to a saucer

2694
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,159
and i started

2695
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:08,560
noticing that even the people that think

2696
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,239
thought it might have been ufo

2697
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:12,639
they were also saying things uh stuff

2698
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,440
like

2699
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,360
uh who's this guy that says he saw it on

2700
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:17,040
the ground i never heard that at the

2701
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,480
time and everyone was saying how come

2702
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,719
the story keeps growing from what it was

2703
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:22,320
and all these comments from other

2704
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,080
witnesses and um

2705
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:27,840
so yeah there's that and then i asked i

2706
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:29,360
started asking him some questions he

2707
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,400
told me that he went to

2708
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,880
a a gathering where they all the

2709
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,199
witnesses got together

2710
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,679
and the media went around talking to all

2711
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,440
the witnesses and they got to him

2712
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,159
and he said yes it was a balloon that's

2713
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,480
what i saw i saw a balloon

2714
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:46,239
and as soon as he said that they walked

2715
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:48,080
off yeah they didn't want to hear

2716
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:49,520
anymore yeah because that's not going to

2717
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,000
sell the story the aliens

2718
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:54,639
are going to say yeah that told me right

2719
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,440
there and then

2720
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:58,159
how these alien stories come about

2721
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:58,719
because

2722
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,320
balloons don't sell aliens do

2723
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:04,239
yeah well we see that in these recent

2724
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:06,320
george nap drops too those things to me

2725
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:07,920
look clearly like balloons or

2726
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,280
or nothing burgers but hey i'm not

2727
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,119
saying it's aliens but it's probably

2728
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:15,199
aliens you know they dance around the

2729
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,400
alien issue

2730
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:18,320
but they know they're pushing this alien

2731
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:19,440
narrative and

2732
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:21,600
it's unfortunate because you know

2733
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:22,480
honestly i'm not

2734
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,080
interested in balloons i'm not

2735
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:26,159
interested in drones i'm not interested

2736
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:26,560
in

2737
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:28,639
misidentified aircraft i'm only

2738
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:30,960
interested in possible alien spacecraft

2739
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,000
visiting earth

2740
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:34,480
that's my interest so all this other

2741
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:35,199
stuff is just

2742
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:37,600
it's just noise in the signal that you

2743
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:38,719
have to separate

2744
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:41,119
you know yeah so when you look at that

2745
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,119
westall 66 document the

2746
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:45,440
documentary the only thing that's really

2747
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:47,360
substantiated is they saw something in

2748
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,000
the sky

2749
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:51,040
it flew around maybe there was a plane

2750
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:53,920
and then the object went you know half a

2751
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:54,800
mile away

2752
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:57,840
or not quite that and landed over some

2753
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:59,840
pine trees

2754
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:01,840
and maybe they went there later that's

2755
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:02,880
about it

2756
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:05,760
this you know once you take out and that

2757
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:06,320
when you do

2758
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:08,239
when you take out uh look at it that way

2759
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,920
all the key things in that documentary

2760
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:10,960
are just

2761
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:13,520
unsubstantiated yeah and there's another

2762
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,000
little thing

2763
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:16,960
all the balloon i'm just saying that all

2764
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:18,239
the fanciful stuff

2765
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,920
of people saying they saw it on the

2766
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:22,320
ground and it definitely was a flying

2767
01:46:26,230 --> 01:46:23,679
saucer

2768
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it's [\h__\h]

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01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,760
[Music]

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01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,840
yeah and isn't it interesting you know

2771
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:30,960
like i i

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01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:33,199
swear there was a point in time where i

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01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:35,440
just if i saw it in a documentary

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01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,440
i assumed that it was true and that the

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01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:39,119
people making the documentary did

2776
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:40,800
adequate research

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01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:43,600
and and were you know sure that the

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01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:44,960
things that they were presenting were

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01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:46,000
true

2780
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:49,199
but really the documentary is a very

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01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:50,159
loose term

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01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,600
you know we've seen in this jeremy

2783
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,520
corbell documentary

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01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:55,280
so-called documentary on bob lazor

2785
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:56,880
that's not a documentary

2786
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,480
because he left out more than half of

2787
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,320
the story anything that would indicate

2788
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:02,400
that bob lazar's a fraud a liar

2789
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,880
a convicted bankrupt pimp let's leave

2790
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:06,560
that out because that doesn't sound good

2791
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:07,840
for his credibility that he's a

2792
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:08,880
convicted

2793
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:12,400
bankrupt pimp you know well if it's if

2794
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:12,639
it's

2795
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,080
an investigative piece

2796
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:20,320
where's the where's the interviews with

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01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:21,280
bob's

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01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:24,320
uh fellow students at mit who is never

2799
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,790
uh where's the interviews with people he

2800
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:30,880
worked with prior to

2801
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:36,629
i just have an old friend uh you know

2802
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:38,159
somebody that i've known for like 20

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01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:38,560
years

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01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:41,440
really old friend and he just saw bob

2805
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:43,119
lazar on uh

2806
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,320
on uh joe rogan and uh he

2807
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:48,320
he was convinced so he contacts me and

2808
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,840
he's like did you ever do a show on this

2809
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,360
and i'm like don't get me started i can

2810
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:53,040
send you 20 links on this

2811
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:55,360
case you know and he's like well i

2812
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,880
watched this video and he

2813
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,800
he sounds like a scientist and he's an

2814
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,040
engineer you know so he's

2815
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,960
he he was totally convinced by bob

2816
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:04,239
lazor's like

2817
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:06,159
explanation he watched the old video

2818
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:08,080
about made of how the flying saucers

2819
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,920
work and he said no only a scientist

2820
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,440
would be able to present

2821
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,760
this technical and i'm like no that

2822
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:15,280
doesn't prove anything and we're back

2823
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,000
and forth

2824
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,480
and he's like well uh he must be a

2825
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,480
scientist i'm like his education's fake

2826
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:22,560
this is fake this is fake but he still

2827
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,880
wants to believe the story so he's still

2828
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:27,199
kind of arguing with me over it and by

2829
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:27,920
the way hey

2830
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:31,840
art and reemsy with a kind and generous

2831
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:33,920
super sticker donation for five dollars

2832
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:35,280
thank you reemsy for your continued

2833
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:36,880
kindness generosity and support and

2834
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:38,560
patreon supporters should know

2835
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,440
that reemsy played his amazing grand

2836
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:43,600
pianos on one of my songs which will be

2837
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,719
on patreon

2838
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,480
for all the patreon supporters this

2839
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,719
month thank you reemsy for kindness god

2840
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:50,080
bless you

2841
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:52,159
we're a viewer supported show the best

2842
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:53,760
way to to support

2843
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:56,639
our show is to throw money at me that's

2844
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:57,600
the best way

2845
01:49:01,990 --> 01:49:01,600
okay because if people can get all this

2846
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:02,000
money

2847
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:04,639
for lying to people or leaving out half

2848
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:05,440
of the story

2849
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:07,920
then somebody should be there to provide

2850
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:08,719
the other half

2851
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,040
and i can't thank you enough uh victor

2852
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:12,719
for helping me do this i know that you

2853
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:13,280
had all

2854
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:15,119
you dropped all this information that

2855
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:17,440
nobody's heard before tonight

2856
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:19,440
so i have a feeling that this video is

2857
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,800
going to blow up because

2858
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,960
this is all stuff that nobody's heard

2859
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,400
most of this stuff nobody has heard

2860
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,920
about yet

2861
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:27,280
and i want to thank you for dropping it

2862
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,440
here

2863
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:30,960
you know and we want to go through all

2864
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,560
your unreleased uh

2865
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,480
interviews and air them here that's what

2866
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,960
we should do

2867
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,880
we'll give you a we'll give you you know

2868
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,560
you gotta have a place to put them

2869
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:42,320
right you got your own place to put them

2870
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:45,199
but they're welcome here as well

2871
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:49,040
yeah this there's so much stuff i mean i

2872
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,960
must admit after the whistle case i was

2873
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:52,080
pretty disillusioned

2874
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:53,840
with it all you know like you i want to

2875
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:56,080
believe that there's a true story

2876
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,239
out there and it's i'm not a

2877
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,960
debunker i look at these stories and i

2878
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:03,840
think well

2879
01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:06,560
that's really interesting i want to find

2880
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:08,840
out more yeah let's learn more yeah

2881
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:12,880
yeah and the disappointment comes

2882
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:16,560
right yeah that's it and you got it so

2883
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:18,320
it's always in that learn more

2884
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,960
phase that the red flags start popping

2885
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,639
up and you just can't ignore them

2886
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,040
after a while yeah and i remember ages

2887
01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:26,639
ago when i would hear somebody say

2888
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:27,760
things like

2889
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,080
you know i was a navy seal and i just

2890
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:32,320
went oh this guy was a navy seal

2891
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,679
and then he tells some story about

2892
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:35,840
aliens or the secret space program and

2893
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:37,040
and he would think well he's

2894
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,440
he was a navy seal it's crazy that a

2895
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:41,119
real navy seal would be telling his

2896
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,719
story and then you find out

2897
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:44,560
he was never in the navy he certainly

2898
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,320
was never a navy seal

2899
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,400
and he's some kind of convicted criminal

2900
01:50:51,910 --> 01:50:50,080
pretending to be these things

2901
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:51,920
you know there's this there's this layer

2902
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:54,159
of illusion over many of these stories

2903
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:55,840
that we really need to peel back the

2904
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:58,000
layers of the onion and get to the

2905
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:02,000
root really before you know

2906
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:05,679
yeah yeah and v says more vic

2907
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:07,440
more and more and more she's your

2908
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,960
biggest fan she was one of the people

2909
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:10,480
who said you gotta have that guy coming

2910
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:11,760
to a whole show

2911
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:13,440
everybody loved their panel appearance

2912
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:16,000
so you were the most requested

2913
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,920
guest that i've ever had from a panel

2914
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:19,760
like you know i've had panels before but

2915
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,639
nobody's ever

2916
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:22,400
like emailed me and sent me so many

2917
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:24,320
messages about a particular panel guest

2918
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,119
saying

2919
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,679
forget those other guys that we're on we

2920
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:28,880
gotta have this guy

2921
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:30,560
talk and we wanna hear what he has to

2922
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:34,080
say it's great that you could do this

2923
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:35,520
no worries it's more where that came

2924
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:38,800
from so some other day

2925
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,400
yeah well we would love to have you

2926
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:41,760
again and i don't want to keep you too

2927
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,480
long

2928
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:44,480
so i'm going to probably throw you out

2929
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:46,080
here and do a quick wrap-up

2930
01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:48,159
maybe spend some time with the live chat

2931
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:49,599
or if you want to stick around for a

2932
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:50,800
little while maybe we could take some

2933
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:53,199
questions from the live chat

2934
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:55,040
okay i could take some questions okay if

2935
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:56,239
anybody has questions

2936
01:52:05,030 --> 01:51:59,280
in the live chat for victor please do

2937
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:06,950
if anybody has any questions otherwise

2938
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:08,480
we're going to let him

2939
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,560
here uh

2940
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:14,400
aj says i don't think we're finding out

2941
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,840
tonight i don't know what that's about

2942
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:17,440
he was saying more more more

2943
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:20,639
any questions v for for uh for vic

2944
01:52:24,390 --> 01:52:22,639
please let me know in live chat and

2945
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:24,400
while we're waiting for some questions

2946
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:25,520
to pop in

2947
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,040
i just want to remind everybody that's

2948
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:28,800
listening in audio podcasting and victor

2949
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,599
we're now on

2950
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:31,840
every audio podcast network that you can

2951
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:33,760
be on so you can get this podcast

2952
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,840
anywhere but if you're listening on

2953
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,760
audio land you're missing out on half

2954
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,800
the fun which is

2955
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:40,560
coming to the live chat you hear me

2956
01:52:43,589 --> 01:52:42,000
reading these uh

2957
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:43,599
comments from our live chat we take

2958
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:45,040
questions from our live chat we take

2959
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:46,159
live call-ins

2960
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,760
so if you're listening an audio podcast

2961
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:50,159
lane please go on youtube and search for

2962
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:51,280
truth seekers

2963
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,560
look for the weird guy with the

2964
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,040
sunglasses and subscribe

2965
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:58,080
and uh you too can come and be a part of

2966
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,360
our community here we're building a

2967
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:01,360
community of truth seekers it's not just

2968
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:03,119
me we're all here looking

2969
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,880
for the truth beside behind some of

2970
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,639
these incredible stories come and join

2971
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:08,239
us and first question here from jay

2972
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:09,040
roach

2973
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:10,480
vic have you looked into what the

2974
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:12,960
science teachers had said

2975
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,560
regarding westfall yes i have

2976
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:19,119
um he was on a channel seven special

2977
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:19,599
that

2978
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,960
one of the other witnesses changed the

2979
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:24,840
story

2980
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:28,480
um uh mr greenwood

2981
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:31,360
his name is i think if that's who you

2982
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,840
mean

2983
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,360
i'm not sure if greenwood was a science

2984
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:35,599
teacher yeah i i i think that's what you

2985
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:35,920
mean

2986
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:38,960
and um mr greenwood

2987
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:41,920
was one of the uh the second teacher i

2988
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:42,880
think to see because

2989
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:45,199
there was a teacher on the oval at the

2990
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:46,239
time teaching

2991
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:49,679
physical education i was a lady uh

2992
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,639
i'm not sure if you're referring to her

2993
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,239
or mr greenwood

2994
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:56,639
but mr greenwood changed his uh said

2995
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:58,400
some really weird things on a channel 7

2996
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:05,510
he said that the us

2997
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:09,119
president had a secret uh ufo

2998
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:11,920
program to look into ufos and that he

2999
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:12,480
sent

3000
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:16,480
a ufo researcher out to interview him

3001
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:20,239
in australia and

3002
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:21,760
then it got to this weird bit we're like

3003
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:23,199
oh i can't remember his name and then

3004
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:24,719
the interview says i wasn't mister was

3005
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:26,000
it mcdonald's he said yeah that's it

3006
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:27,840
mcdonald

3007
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:30,719
i was i was did a face problem i didn't

3008
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,440
get wrong

3009
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:34,000
he got interviewed by ronald mcdonald

3010
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:35,840
yeah mcdonald's is uh

3011
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:38,000
i think that's his name it's that famous

3012
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,709
his last name is mcdonald anyway and um

3013
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,199
he came out to australia uh to do some

3014
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,040
work for the navy to do some

3015
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:53,440
talks or some atmospheric stuff based on

3016
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:56,800
his job and in his own spare time

3017
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:59,679
he went and on his own dime he went out

3018
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:00,719
and

3019
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:03,040
did some research on some australian

3020
01:55:08,149 --> 01:55:04,960
cases because he was a famous

3021
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:08,159
uh us researcher and did a lot of ufo

3022
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:09,280
research in

3023
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,920
in america so when he came to australia

3024
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:14,159
on his job to do whatever he's doing

3025
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:16,320
he took upon himself in his spare time

3026
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,599
to do some research for

3027
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:19,920
some australian cases and that's when he

3028
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,679
went out and spoke to greenwood

3029
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,679
he wasn't sent by the president because

3030
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,360
of some special us

3031
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,040
program all that was just complete

3032
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:30,000
[\h__\h] by greenwood

3033
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:31,520
there was another thing i raised with

3034
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,119
shane the whistle

3035
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:35,119
documentary maker it was it was that

3036
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:36,560
point and he was like

3037
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:38,239
oh yeah i noticed that as well i don't

3038
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:41,040
know why he said that

3039
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,119
yeah greenwood also said that um

3040
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,840
uh some people from the air force came

3041
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,000
and visited him two weeks later

3042
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:54,639
and threatened him that they'd say he

3043
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,000
was a drunkard

3044
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:58,560
and that he'd lose his job if he spoke

3045
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:00,320
about the westall case

3046
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:03,679
interesting in a mcdonald's uh interview

3047
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:04,239
which

3048
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,599
was conducted like uh just a year after

3049
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:09,520
the incident he never mentioned any of

3050
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:11,119
that to him

3051
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:13,119
and i also talked to shane the

3052
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:14,800
documentary guy about that as well and

3053
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:16,159
he said yeah i thought that was weird as

3054
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,520
well

3055
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:19,920
like you know this you know it just gets

3056
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,679
ridiculous

3057
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:23,599
absolutely and another question here

3058
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:25,280
from v has victor

3059
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:28,639
ever had an experience himself

3060
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,360
no i haven't had any experience okay and

3061
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:33,280
uh here we have uh solar warden

3062
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,119
asking victor what did glenn campbell

3063
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,040
tell you did he mention chuck clark at

3064
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:42,629
chuck clock uh

3065
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:45,920
no no chuck clark i don't think what did

3066
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:47,119
i remember anyway

3067
01:56:50,709 --> 01:56:48,320
do you want to talk a little bit about

3068
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:50,719
what that interview what kind of

3069
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,480
you know what did he talk about

3070
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:56,400
yeah glenn said some explosive stuff

3071
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:01,669
particularly about bob calling him and

3072
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:03,679
telling him that uh

3073
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,960
he had received some explicit photos of

3074
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:08,800
glenn campbell and just wanted to let

3075
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:15,750
which was a veil threat so it was like a

3076
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:17,760
threat stop talking [\h__\h] about me and my

3077
01:57:22,149 --> 01:57:19,440
ufo stories or i'm gonna

3078
01:57:24,149 --> 01:57:22,159
release nude photos of you or something

3079
01:57:26,709 --> 01:57:24,159
yeah glenn said he didn't really

3080
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:26,719
uh understand what bob was trying to

3081
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:28,239
tell him at the time but then when he

3082
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:28,800
hung up

3083
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:34,950
the bankrupt paper is threatening people

3084
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:37,199
the bankrupt pimp is threatening people

3085
01:57:41,669 --> 01:57:38,480
like a gangster

3086
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:41,679
what do you know right

3087
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:43,360
yeah and somebody mentioned it's james

3088
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:45,760
mcdonald most likely yeah yeah that is

3089
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:47,280
james mcdonald that's correct it is

3090
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:48,480
james mcdonald james

3091
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,320
yeah and that guy is interesting he died

3092
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:52,639
of a suicide by gun shot

3093
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:55,520
he shot his head story said story that

3094
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:57,679
story absolutely yeah but he was

3095
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:59,679
one of those early pioneers a physicist

3096
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:01,760
that was interested in and investigating

3097
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,040
ufos mostly

3098
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:05,199
from his own curiosity not for the us

3099
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:06,320
government

3100
01:58:09,990 --> 01:58:09,599
you know that's right it's i don't think

3101
01:58:11,510 --> 01:58:10,000
it's

3102
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:11,520
like a lot of people used to ridicule

3103
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:13,599
all the ufo researchers and that i

3104
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:15,760
totally disagree with that i i think it

3105
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:16,320
is worth

3106
01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:19,119
looking into those people should be able

3107
01:58:22,870 --> 01:58:20,800
to do it without being ridiculed

3108
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:22,880
that's for sure somebody's asking kind

3109
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:24,320
of unrelated what do you think of phil

3110
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:27,360
schneider's story and suicide

3111
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:28,800
are you familiar with phil schneider

3112
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:31,599
he's the guy who came out though

3113
01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:34,000
yeah well i i would tell you dustin

3114
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:34,880
miles

3115
01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:37,440
dio that phil schneider a lot of people

3116
01:58:41,030 --> 01:58:39,040
didn't don't know this but joe from the

3117
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:41,040
carolinas did this excellent report on

3118
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:41,360
him

3119
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:43,440
and did a deep dive and found out that

3120
01:58:47,589 --> 01:58:45,840
phil snyder had some kind of a strange

3121
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:47,599
psychological condition that caused him

3122
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:49,119
to mutilate himself

3123
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:51,040
and phil schneider's part of his story

3124
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:52,800
was he was hold up his hand that was

3125
01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:54,560
missing fingers and stuff and say that

3126
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:57,440
the aliens shot him with a ray gun

3127
01:59:01,350 --> 01:58:59,679
but it turns out that yeah it turns out

3128
01:59:02,950 --> 01:59:01,360
phil schneider spent a lot of time in

3129
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:02,960
and out of mental wards

3130
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:05,280
and i believe that his suicide was just

3131
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:06,960
that he didn't have any truth about

3132
01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:08,960
aliens he was another grifter out there

3133
01:59:11,589 --> 01:59:10,000
on the scene

3134
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:11,599
according to a lot of good supportive

3135
01:59:15,750 --> 01:59:13,760
evidence that he was a mental patient

3136
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:15,760
who mutilated himself

3137
01:59:19,510 --> 01:59:18,320
so there's not much credible and he got

3138
01:59:21,910 --> 01:59:19,520
caught lying in a lot of

3139
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:21,920
areas about his family history uh with

3140
01:59:26,709 --> 01:59:24,320
the military and the government

3141
01:59:27,830 --> 01:59:26,719
you know was it was he part of the dolce

3142
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:27,840
story

3143
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:29,840
yeah it was no it wasn't dulce but he

3144
01:59:33,030 --> 01:59:31,280
basically said that he worked for the

3145
01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:33,040
government building these dumbs deep

3146
01:59:37,109 --> 01:59:34,960
underground military bases

3147
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:37,119
and that they were drilling and and all

3148
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:38,480
of a sudden there was aliens

3149
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:40,080
and then the government had to send like

3150
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:42,080
marines in there and there was a fire

3151
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:45,199
fight between the aliens and it's just a

3152
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:46,400
crazy story

3153
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:49,199
and and then he ended up killing himself

3154
01:59:53,830 --> 01:59:51,440
under somewhat mysterious circumstances

3155
01:59:55,350 --> 01:59:53,840
but and people of course ran with that

3156
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:55,360
like while they tried to cover him up

3157
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:56,639
because he was telling the truth about

3158
01:59:59,510 --> 01:59:58,400
aliens but it turns out he was not a

3159
02:00:02,310 --> 01:59:59,520
credible person

3160
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:02,320
he was a literally a mental patient who

3161
02:00:06,629 --> 02:00:03,520
started going on a

3162
02:00:09,350 --> 02:00:06,639
ufo circuit telling stories about

3163
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:09,360
uh aliens and things like that deep

3164
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:11,119
underground military bases

3165
02:00:14,790 --> 02:00:12,800
people to this day still don't know that

3166
02:00:17,669 --> 02:00:14,800
he had that weird condition

3167
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,679
uh which caused you know which caused

3168
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:19,280
him to mutilate himself and

3169
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:22,560
uh v c and d propulsions here wanted to

3170
02:00:25,669 --> 02:00:23,760
know what you know

3171
02:00:27,910 --> 02:00:25,679
what do you think about mark mccandless

3172
02:00:30,629 --> 02:00:27,920
suicide of the arv theme are you

3173
02:00:33,350 --> 02:00:30,639
familiar with him

3174
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:33,360
uh i've heard the name probably that's

3175
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:35,280
okay he recently killed himself and then

3176
02:00:39,669 --> 02:00:36,639
people did the same thing they did with

3177
02:00:45,589 --> 02:00:43,510
yeah they ran people recently like

3178
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:45,599
totally not credible people like carrie

3179
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:46,560
cassidy and

3180
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:48,480
jordan sater and others ran with the

3181
02:00:51,430 --> 02:00:50,880
story that he was murdered by the deep

3182
02:00:54,149 --> 02:00:51,440
state

3183
02:00:54,470 --> 02:00:54,159
you know i talked to the coroner you

3184
02:00:57,350 --> 02:00:54,480
know

3185
02:00:59,109 --> 02:00:57,360
and and all those stories are largely

3186
02:01:02,149 --> 02:00:59,119
horseshit

3187
02:01:05,030 --> 02:01:02,159
yeah i see someone's asking about

3188
02:01:05,830 --> 02:01:05,040
valentich that's another famous case in

3189
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:05,840
australia

3190
02:01:08,950 --> 02:01:08,480
so i think if i remember right that's

3191
02:01:11,510 --> 02:01:08,960
the one

3192
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:11,520
where the guy was flying a plane oh yeah

3193
02:01:14,629 --> 02:01:12,719
i'm sorry i missed that one

3194
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:14,639
sorry about that aj victor what about

3195
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:16,480
our second most famous incident

3196
02:01:20,229 --> 02:01:19,920
m valentec yeah i think that's the one

3197
02:01:23,270 --> 02:01:20,239
where

3198
02:01:23,830 --> 02:01:23,280
a guy was flying a light plane and um or

3199
02:01:56,310 --> 02:01:23,840
a

3200
02:01:57,910 --> 02:01:56,320
of thing

3201
02:02:00,390 --> 02:01:57,920
and no one ever knows what ever happened

3202
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:04,149
so yeah

3203
02:02:10,310 --> 02:02:07,840
the story itself um

3204
02:02:11,270 --> 02:02:10,320
it's a weird one that's for sure that

3205
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:11,280
area is about

3206
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:13,280
the rough part of us of the world like

3207
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:15,199
it gets pretty rough between victoria

3208
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:18,320
and uh tasmania is like a

3209
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:19,920
channel of water and that water it was

3210
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:22,159
really rough i know firsthand because

3211
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:23,280
i've taken a

3212
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:26,320
ferry over that of the best straight and

3213
02:02:32,229 --> 02:02:28,639
it's rough as guts

3214
02:02:35,669 --> 02:02:32,239
interesting so it does get

3215
02:02:37,350 --> 02:02:35,679
pretty windy and wavy yeah he could have

3216
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:37,360
got caught in a storm who knows i don't

3217
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:38,880
know

3218
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:40,800
yeah chris johansen said plane

3219
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:42,719
disappears the end the truth is we don't

3220
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:44,960
know what the f happened to him

3221
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:50,470
sure well listen i want to thank you

3222
02:02:54,550 --> 02:02:52,719
very much for giving us your time

3223
02:02:56,310 --> 02:02:54,560
and uh some excellent research and

3224
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:56,320
dropping all of this information that

3225
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:57,920
most people have not heard before

3226
02:03:01,830 --> 02:03:00,400
i'm glad that we get the exclusive on it

3227
02:03:03,589 --> 02:03:01,840
and i hope that we can

3228
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:03,599
uh twist your arm and get you to come

3229
02:03:07,669 --> 02:03:05,360
back again

3230
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,679
no worries if v has her way you're gonna

3231
02:03:13,030 --> 02:03:09,520
be here three nights a week

3232
02:03:14,149 --> 02:03:13,040
just so you know okay

3233
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:14,159
so i'm going to throw you out of here

3234
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:16,000
and do a quick wrap-up i appreciate your

3235
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,719
time and

3236
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:18,480
and i can't thank you enough for doing

3237
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:20,719
this thank you victor

3238
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:24,000
okay bye all right what wow

3239
02:03:27,589 --> 02:03:25,840
friends what a great conversation and i

3240
02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:27,599
gotta tell you uh this has been on my

3241
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:29,280
list of things to do for a while because

3242
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:31,040
i want to know some of these things that

3243
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:33,119
he's sharing that most people have not

3244
02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:34,400
heard of

3245
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:38,639
uh yeah i gotta tell you friends i'm

3246
02:03:43,669 --> 02:03:40,880
always happy when there's an audience

3247
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:43,679
uh i want to definitely thank you for

3248
02:03:47,990 --> 02:03:44,800
coming here tonight

3249
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:48,000
and being a part of mine uh i'm always

3250
02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:49,119
happy when there's an audience and

3251
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:50,480
thanks to the super chat

3252
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:52,239
donators tonight thank you to the

3253
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:54,159
patreon supporters you make this show

3254
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:55,280
possible

3255
02:03:59,189 --> 02:03:56,880
until next time friends my name is

3256
02:04:13,330 --> 02:03:59,199
stephen cambion good night and god bless

3257
02:05:23,780 --> 02:05:22,420
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